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Chat Control passed first round in EU Parliament

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Re: Chat Control passed first round in EU Parliament

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They won't. But afaik Chat Control 1.0 was/is in effect but expired. It's not relevant to Signal or Whatsapp because they're e2ee, it's relevant for eBay, Linkedin, perhaps SMS.

I might be wrong, but i read it as the application reads the message before any encrytion actually happens

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Re: Chat Control passed first round in EU Parliament

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Why are we so passive to the promotion of such scams? I keep telling people about such things and I am looked at as nerdy, geeky or boring. But this stupid reaction finally explains to me why human life for ordinary people will always largely be a life of suffering.

You have to dumb it down and make it more oriented around some kind of nefarious long game.

Re: Chat Control passed first round in EU Parliament

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No. The way the EU is designed has nothing to do with the US or France. First the Parliament and Council (the bodies democratically elected) do not have power of legislative initiative. Then the Commission, which is a "super" executive power, is not democratically elected. Unlike France or the US (the two you mentioned). The EU has an architecture that is fundamentally different from the US or French system. In many…

You’re missing the point I’m making, which is about how „democratic“ is a nuanced spectrum. I’m not drawing parallels regarding the way the institutions are implemented. Also, the French prime minister and government isn’t democratically elected. Only the president is

> Only the president is

The head of the executive is elected, that makes quite a big difference.

> You’re missing the point I’m making, which is about how „democratic“ is a nuanced spectrum.

Yes and some have the right to argue that China is a democracy. They do have a lot of elections. And the CCP has a very broad spectrum of ideas and politics within it, in fact much broader than the people you will find in the EU Commission.

In the end it is about how much you perceive the common will is represented and served by the regime in place. Chat Control has openly gone against it for years and is being shove down our throat.

And there is a reason why farmers have been driving their tractors to Brussels from all over Europe for decades. The trip ain't cheap.

Re: Chat Control passed first round in EU Parliament

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I think he means that maybe it‘s for the best if „the internet“ in its current state dies, i.e. people move on from the current platforms towards other ones or real life.

That’s exactly what I mean.

You could do us a favor and start by signing off yourself.

Re: Chat Control passed first round in EU Parliament

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You have apparently no idea what an actual dictatorship is

Tell me the difference please. Which country we compare to?

I lived in a dictatorship, I can’t tell the difference. Is exactly the same for the average Joe.

Re: Chat Control passed first round in EU Parliament

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So many comments about the EU constantly re-trying the same law with minor tweaks, and about how legislatures do this in general. I wanted to provide an explanation for this behaviour. The way legislation is expected to proceed in countries with parliamentary systems, especially with strong civil services, is that 1) a problem is identified. This can be the civil service detecting it on their own, petitioning from gr…

But for chat control the problem never existed in the first place.

Re: Chat Control passed first round in EU Parliament

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They only have to win once. You have to win every time.

I want them to win. The internet is stupid right now. A culture eating its own tail.

Accelerationism doesn't work.

Re: Chat Control passed first round in EU Parliament

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From a post on Mastodon: > democracy is when you repeatedly push for unpopular laws until they pass, and the more times you do it the more democratic it is It is unlikely that 60 additional “no” votes can be found by Thursday to stop this.

So basically the people we elected will vote yes. How's that undemocratic? Because the majority doesn't vote the way I like it? I'm not even ironic, I truly don't understand those comments. You get what you voted for, garbage in garbage out.

I didn't vote for the person that was elected. Where's my representation?
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