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Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Post by jeswin »

aarvin_roshin wrote: post #4

Thoughts[^0] from Theo, who had early access: > It's a damn good model. Not quite as "smart" as Fable, but it is incredibly capable. Fixed all the problems I had with GPT-5.5. > It is incredibly determined. Will run for a day without even using a /goal. It understands subagents incredibly well and is great at orchestrating. It's super pleasant in use cases like OpenClaw and Hermes Agent. It knows iOS dev incredibly w…

> Thoughts[^0] from Theo, who had early access:

I looked at his YouTube, and found a stream of industry gossip and beginner content like "web dev tutorials". I have nothing against such content and it may be useful and good fun to watch.

But does that say anything about this particular model? People have been using models effectively for web code since Gpt 3.x.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

#82

Post by satvikpendem »

steve_adams_86 wrote: post #64
patates wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it's pretty clear he has very little understanding of development or engineering I cannot prove it but I have a feeling that you may be conflating "he clearly has different opinions on things I consider non-negotiable" to "he doesn't know what he's talking about". I also watched a lot of his videos. I wildly disagree with him a lot of times, but he has his reasoning, and I can see (and verify!) that those ideas are…

He's clearly very knowledgeable about some things, but I think he has harmed his credibility be becoming a 'tuber who prioritizes thumbnails and hot takes over engineering.

Not really. If you're a YouTuber it's necessary to follow the algorithm which includes making such a YouTuber face, clickbait actually works and has a direct financial correlation as Linus Tech Tips has shown.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

#83

Post by mnicky »

sk4rekr0w wrote: post #36
jychang wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is because GPT-5.6 is just a more posttrained version of GPT-5.5, not a bigger model than GPT-5.5. It's not like how Mythos is bigger than Opus. GPT-5.6 --------> GPT-5.6 Sol GPT-5.6-mini ---> GPT-5.6 Terra GPT-5.6-nano ---> GPT-5.6 Luna Two important things to note, if you want to verify what I say/correct me: GPT-5.6 Terra actually scores worse than GPT-5.5 on many benchmarks. It's not GPT-5.5 trained with mor…

bigger doesn't mean better, chill out

That's true but size of LLMs has been strongly correlated with their "intelligence".

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

#84

Post by satvikpendem »

aarvin_roshin wrote: post #4

Thoughts[^0] from Theo, who had early access: > It's a damn good model. Not quite as "smart" as Fable, but it is incredibly capable. Fixed all the problems I had with GPT-5.5. > It is incredibly determined. Will run for a day without even using a /goal. It understands subagents incredibly well and is great at orchestrating. It's super pleasant in use cases like OpenClaw and Hermes Agent. It knows iOS dev incredibly w…

That's sad to see Sol not beating Fable as it was explicitly stated by OpenAI that Sol benchmarks and overall performance were better than Fable.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

#85

Post by satvikpendem »

bashtoni wrote: post #17
aarvin_roshin wrote: post #4

Thoughts[^0] from Theo, who had early access: > It's a damn good model. Not quite as "smart" as Fable, but it is incredibly capable. Fixed all the problems I had with GPT-5.5. > It is incredibly determined. Will run for a day without even using a /goal. It understands subagents incredibly well and is great at orchestrating. It's super pleasant in use cases like OpenClaw and Hermes Agent. It knows iOS dev incredibly w…

I feel like listening to Theo about anything technical is like consulting a Labrador retriever for advice on quantum physics. Every time I've ever seen one of his videos it's pretty clear he has very little understanding of development or engineering. I first became aware of him from his early "unit tests are a waste of time" stuff, and it seems his skillset is building a personal brand. Fair play, he's clearly talen…

"Average Theo video be like": https://youtu.be/h1p9zdUtUdo

It's shocking how many accurate tropes this hits.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

#86

Post by jychang »

andy12_ wrote: post #78
behnamoh wrote: post #73

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how do you know gpt-5.5-pro is an ensemble? if it is, then how did OpenAI do it? why no other company has been able to pull it off?

It's pretty much confirmed by OpenAI here [1]. > We generally treat GPT-5.5’s safety results as strong proxies for GPT-5.5 Pro, which is the same underlying model using a setting that makes use of parallel test time compute. And Gemini also provides something similar. Gemini Deep Think models are pretty much the same thing [2]. As to why no other company uses this, I don't really know. Maybe compute constraints? [1]…

Plenty of other companies do this. Meta Muse Spark has a "Contemplating" which is this. Kimi had this on their website too, IIRC.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Post by satvikpendem »

sk4rekr0w wrote: post #36
jychang wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is because GPT-5.6 is just a more posttrained version of GPT-5.5, not a bigger model than GPT-5.5. It's not like how Mythos is bigger than Opus. GPT-5.6 --------> GPT-5.6 Sol GPT-5.6-mini ---> GPT-5.6 Terra GPT-5.6-nano ---> GPT-5.6 Luna Two important things to note, if you want to verify what I say/correct me: GPT-5.6 Terra actually scores worse than GPT-5.5 on many benchmarks. It's not GPT-5.5 trained with mor…

bigger doesn't mean better, chill out

In this case, it does actually.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

#88

Post by CjHuber »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #33
prodigycorp wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a source for this? I'm pretty sure responses api is only there to obfuscate reasoning, but that they're still keeping reasoning traces in the backend.

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Well, obviously its true as you can see in the silbing comment. But still interesting how experiences differ. I wonder did you ever use codex in more demanding workflows, because that at least something like that is going on is obvious if you use it for a few hours

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

#89

Post by satvikpendem »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #33
prodigycorp wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a source for this? I'm pretty sure responses api is only there to obfuscate reasoning, but that they're still keeping reasoning traces in the backend.

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Looks like you're wrong, if you look at the sibling

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

#90

Post by skeptic_ai »

behnamoh wrote: post #57
reassess_blind wrote: post #6

I’m bouncing back between Codex and Claude like a ping-pong ball. I much prefer the experience using Codex, less verbose and to-the-point I’ve found. But Fable, being as strong as it is, is a big draw for Claude right now. I’ll likely switch back to Codex if 5.6 Sol is comparable.

How? I'm pretty much locked into Claude Code and even if gpt models are good now, the experience with codex CLI has been so bad I won't go back to it. e.g., it still doesn't have /revise or /undo!

How can be locked? If you have a proper agents in your project it will work out of the box with any model. I use codex and Hermes on same project with 0 issues. Skills, MCP and other features are useless imo.

My agent has access to glab with a user and can do whatever within permissions. No need a MCP. MCP maybe just for browser control.

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