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Herdr: One terminal to rule them all

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Re: Herdr: One terminal to rule them all

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Post by lemontheme »

pixard wrote: post #91
jvican wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wanted to mention that `zmx` is a beautiful piece of minimal software that basically has gotten rid of my tmux and zellij use. Uses a ghostty-based terminal emulator for each session, supports pretty much all of these features by leveraging ghostty. I truly don’t see the benefit of something like herdr over this minimal, robust setup. If I really wanted a lot of customization for AI assistants, I’d consider using O…

I really want to like this. Ideologically I'm on board. Who wouldn't want to avoid all this multiplexing complexity and pitfalls? But deferring the window management to the OS sounds great in theory, but in practice it falls short (at least for me). I work on both MacOS and Linux. Even if I were to figure out a perfect window management approach, I'd have to do it twice, and then figure out a way to "attach" to a lay…

If you do most of your work on a central server and treat your other devices as thin clients, then (afaik) Tmux/Zellij are the way to go – not to mention if you want to multiplayer with colleagues.

(I know Wezterm has remote session multiplexing in beta, but I’d be surprised if you can re-attach from a different machine.)

Lately I’ve been experimenting with embracing the total scriptability of my favorite terminal, Kitty. Its creator is famously outspoken about non-native multiplexers, precisely because of the pitfalls you mentioned and because they hold back the terminal ecosystem.

Couple of recent issues I’ve had: washed-out colors in Claude Code, desktop notifications not passing through, scrollback weirdness, and image protocol mismatches.

I used to treat Zellij as an OS to build my own IDE in. Now it’s Kitty.

I save layouts as a Kitty session. Important limitation: this doesn’t persist running processes. And so enter zmx. Whenever I need a process I can reattach to I wrap it in zmx.

A terminal agent can interact with the kitty cli to create splits and such. I’m still on the fence as to whether that’s safe. Probably not. Also, tmux is likely better represented in the training data. Currently experimenting with running claude inside tmux (multiplexing) inside nono (sandbox).

Re: Herdr: One terminal to rule them all

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Post by chaoxu »

chaoxu wrote: post #105
stephen wrote: post #93

I get why folks use tmux/herdr, but I already use i3wm/Hyprland for window/workspace management, and want to have "shared first class windows" instead of dual binds of "super-based binds for i3 windows ... oh wait control-a based binds for tmux panes". Has anyone got a tool/setup that is tmux-like but the remote terminals/panes are all local/native windows?

Something like this would be great. It seems what one really need is just persistent terminal session. So this thing probably can be built on top of zmc with a few scripts.

okey just did some investigation. ~/.config/herdr/herdr.sock JSON-RPC API so we can avoid herdr UI. In fact herdr's TUI is using it too. So basically you can write your own tool to make it work (vibe it with AI if you want)

Re: Herdr: One terminal to rule them all

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Post by pedrosousa »

alasano wrote: post #57
fcarraldo wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think https://zellij.dev/ covers all of these? But it isn't an "agent native", and `herdr` seems to support importing existing agent sessions.

I use zellij a lot and created myself a zellij skill for an agent to manage my sessions/layouts in zellij directly. So for a new worktree the agent can create a tab in zellij with multiple panes, properly named etc. It works really nicely. Although since I got the 52 inch Dell monitor I tend to just put everything visible at all once most of the time.

Could you share this skill?

Re: Herdr: One terminal to rule them all

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Post by ukprogrammer »

spudlyo wrote: post #8

So I've tried to figure out why you might want to use this over Tmux, and essentially I think it comes to down to: - everything is mouse clickable - tmux style display-popups are used for friendly UI interactions everywhere - it has a UI for agents running in panes, with a cool status (idle/working) display - has opinionated defaults like automatic clipboard copy on mouse text select - makes nested sessions easier &…

If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle

Similarity to tmux is the point

I've been dailying this (inside tmux!) for multi-agent orchestration and for state detection for agentic fleet orchestration, it's excellent. Highly recommend!

Re: Herdr: One terminal to rule them all

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Post by vianchen »

meling wrote: post #116

Does anyone know how this compares to Supacode ( https://supacode.sh )? I just started using Supacode a few days ago and have been enjoying it so far; it is based on libghostty.

Supacode is macOS only and is a terminal emulator itself. Herdr is cross-platform and is just a multiplexer. You can use it in any terminal emulator. If you want you can even run Herdr in Supacode
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