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We're extending access to Fable 5 on all paid plans through July 12

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Re: We're extending access to Fable 5 on all paid plans through July 12

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Post by AbstractH24 »

visarga wrote: post #78
theptip wrote: post #57

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I think you need to consider how much dev mindshare you get from the loss-leader. Claude has grown at an insane rate. They brought vibe-coding mainstream. At some point they might decide they have enough demand and inertia from enterprise to reduce the subsidy. But to say “it’s doomed” really misses the fact that it has already been immensely successful.

We can switch in a heartbeat to a competitor, what kept us to Claude was that it had better models for a while. Closing Fable off means they are squarely inferior now. For me Opus 4.8 was a slow model with a strong habit of talking down to me in an obnoxious way that would not be possible to prompt away. GPT 5.5 is now my main driver for serious work.

I’m still rattled by all the DoD stuff in the spring. At which point I deleted my ChatGPT/OpenAI account.

But Anthropic’s games with Fable and false humility is getting a bit old. And increasingly it seems like Agent Orange is gonna implode rather than team up with someone like Sam Altman to form America’s Third Reich. Particularly post-midterms.

Nonetheless, wish there was a third option on par with them two. Maybe there is I need to investigate.

Re: We're extending access to Fable 5 on all paid plans through July 12

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Post by mvkel »

Culonavirus wrote: post #117
ahofmann wrote: post #105

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https://github.com/obra/superpowers

Some people just need to complicate things as a state of their natural being. What a tremendous waste of time.

In the three years I've been vibe coding, it's the only way I've found to consistently and reliably build complex apps. How do you do it?

Re: We're extending access to Fable 5 on all paid plans through July 12

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Post by aenis »

g42gregory wrote: post #97

I am using Opis 4.8 xhigh, in OMP.sh coding agent (full agent built on Pi), with Matt Pocock Skills installed. I don’t see a particular bump in code quality from Fable 5. In fact, it feels less reliable to me than my current setup. No sure why I am not seeing what everybody else is seeing. Perhaps OMP/Pi (head and shoulders better than Claude Code) + Matt Pocock Skills already encode all the agentic improvements Fabl…

Opus 4.8 xhigh is my daily driver for everything. I'd say Fable's edge is visible when designing for a complex problem with no obvious, idiomatic solutions. It is good at greenfield designs, and good at pointing out the pros and cons of hard design choices. I now do designs with Fable, and do implementations off those designs with Opus. Pretty happy. For a while I was using Fable for everything, but burned through a lot of real money for not much value, I think for coding its slow and not at all better than Opus.

Re: We're extending access to Fable 5 on all paid plans through July 12

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Post by onion2k »

minimaxir wrote: post #2

Previously, access was set to expire today (July 7th) It is theorized that OpenAI may time the release of GPT 5.6 in Codex to convert people who have lost access to Fable, so this is an interesting game theoric consequence.

It's also possible that giving access to Fable when lots of people have been taking time away from working on things (4th July, World Cup, etc) meant they didn't spend much time with it.

Re: We're extending access to Fable 5 on all paid plans through July 12

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Post by solumunus »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #103
try-working wrote: post #72

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This is an interesting comment because it makes me want to ask the question, what is the use for fable then? For me, GPT 5.4 is enough when using recursive-mode. I do appreciate GPT 5.5 Pro for some larger research, architecture, planning tasks though. I think that's what Fable is for. A very small % of total work.

> what is the use for fable then? Cybersecurity hardening. The one thing they don't allow the model to do.

That’s Mythos. Fable isn’t specifically for that I don’t think, just an enhanced ability and persistence of Opus.

Re: We're extending access to Fable 5 on all paid plans through July 12

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Post by marcus_holmes »

seer wrote: post #65

Getting on and off fable this week has been quite interesting. For my personal work stream (big terraform monorepo, hundreds of states) I’ve using mostly superpowers to do heavy / quality work. But with fable, I tried just telling it what to do, and it produced roughly the same results without a big structured back and forth that I was accustomed to. Then after using up all my fable allowance I figured let’s see if o…

This. My workflow is a heavily-modified and personalised superpowers, and the docs that it produces are an asset. I tried Fable and it just ran off and did shit. Mostly that was good shit, but not all, and I would have liked to have had some input to those decisions.

I realise this is just me needing to structure my use of Fable better. But I got to a really nice place with my Opus workflow and I'm reluctant to go through that every time a new model releases.

Re: We're extending access to Fable 5 on all paid plans through July 12

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Post by matheusmoreira »

solumunus wrote: post #167
matheusmoreira wrote: post #103

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> what is the use for fable then? Cybersecurity hardening. The one thing they don't allow the model to do.

That’s Mythos. Fable isn’t specifically for that I don’t think, just an enhanced ability and persistence of Opus.

Fable is itself a "Mythos class" model. It can do everything Mythos can do. Anthropic's classifier just doesn't allow it to do it.

Re: We're extending access to Fable 5 on all paid plans through July 12

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Post by theptip »

verall wrote: post #67
theptip wrote: post #57

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I think you need to consider how much dev mindshare you get from the loss-leader. Claude has grown at an insane rate. They brought vibe-coding mainstream. At some point they might decide they have enough demand and inertia from enterprise to reduce the subsidy. But to say “it’s doomed” really misses the fact that it has already been immensely successful.

I think it's for the insane amount of data they get to collect. Most people probably don't turn off the "help improve other models" while corporations paying by the token have blanket no-train policies applied to everyone.

Yeah that is definitely an angle too.
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