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We're extending access to Fable 5 on all paid plans through July 12

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Re: We're extending access to Fable 5 on all paid plans through July 12

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Post by alfg »

somenameforme wrote: post #81

Does this affect anybody? It seems they didn't reset your Fable usage so this only applies to people who didn't hit their 50%-of-plan limit with Fable and I can't imagine that's many people given how this thing eats through tokens like that's its job. On Pro I generally could not complete a single plan+execution cycle without hitting my token cap, so that 50% of weekly limit got eaten up fast and I assume that's the…

I used up all my Fable credits over the weekend and looks like it’s completely reset as of today.

Re: We're extending access to Fable 5 on all paid plans through July 12

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Post by sixothree »

AndyNemmity wrote: post #124
Culonavirus wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people just need to complicate things as a state of their natural being. What a tremendous waste of time.

That's funny, cause I'd argue superpowers barely does anything, and you need a much more complex setup to gain value.

It's great for feature development. It queries you about you intentions, creates a spec for you to review and modify, creates a plan for it to follow, then farms out the work to subagents.

Crap on it all you want, but it makes LLM work predictable.

Re: We're extending access to Fable 5 on all paid plans through July 12

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Post by pkaye »

zeafoamrun wrote: post #140

Why don't they just continue to give you Fable access but have it use quota at 4x or 8x so they at least let people on plans continue to use it, even a little? I'm already using it judiciously because I tried ultracode with it and it ate my 5h quota while only getting halfway through the problem.

I have a feeling they are waiting for the upcoming ChatGPT release to decide.

Re: We're extending access to Fable 5 on all paid plans through July 12

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Post by micw »

gck1 wrote: post #13

I have a really hard time understanding how anyone is ready to pay $200/mo to be put on such a rollercoaster all the time . I've used fable, it's great. But nothing beats predictability - ever. This truly feels like some form of emotional abuse/manipulation at this point.

Paying $100/month and using Opus 4.8 all the time to get my work done. I had a brief look at fable (when it was available the 1st time) but it burned my allowance to fast. So I keep paying the $100 for Opus and enjoy friction-less uninterrupted work.

I'm usually at 60-70% usage at the end of a 5 hour window, that's the pace where I can still think about what to delegate and what to expect and verify the results. Could probably go faster but that would have a significant impact on output quality.

Re: We're extending access to Fable 5 on all paid plans through July 12

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Post by jakswa »

donw wrote: post #139
nevi-me wrote: post #127

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I maximised usage and have reached the limit. I feel like I did 2 week's worth of hobby work over the last few days. I got Fable to write multiple plans, spent a great part of the weekend reviewing them. Then with superpowers I left must of those plans executing with little intervention over the past few days. I struggled to get Opus to just keep going without trying to convince me that it's late.

I'm really curious, what sort of work you were having it do such that you could execute multiple days of work with minimal supervision.

The best project I found to throw it at was cloning llama-server's web UI essentially in one shot. I'm not sure what I'll do with 5 extra days, maybe try to imagine some complex features. I'm no longer surprised at how much seems to work in these "new brain what can it do?" test, and instead think the risk is feeling like I have to take it the rest of the way once I've sunk the token cost :| https://inkcap.click

Re: We're extending access to Fable 5 on all paid plans through July 12

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Post by ffsm8 »

appplication wrote: post #122
ahofmann wrote: post #105

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https://github.com/obra/superpowers

That initially looked pretty interesting but a quick peek through issues and folks are complaining that it’s opinionated on git workflows and overriding user instructions otherwise. No thanks. Edit: a deeper look at the issues and there are many examples of it not behaving as intended. Seems superstitious at best.

Definitely not superstitious. It's just an opinionated workflow, you can see the steps further down in the repository.

It's just spottily enforced because it's just written to the context in markdown - it's basically one of the very first attempts from the very beginning of Claude code.

But superstitious would mean it's just in your head, essentially - but this has an effect. It does create questionairs, documents every decision and plan etc. Wherever you want that is up to you, I personally didn't... But it's also definitely very much causing an big difference in behavior from Claude Code

Re: We're extending access to Fable 5 on all paid plans through July 12

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Post by miki123211 »

user3939382 wrote: post #54
nickandbro wrote: post #38

Loosing Fable July 12th and getting usage cut by a third post July 13th is going to be rough. Looks like all the reporting about Anthropic trying their earnest to turn a profit this quarter is true. In the mean time, I will gladly switch to Codex. Their Pro plan gives you amble usage and only runs close when you are using the fast mode. And even if you run out of credits, they have given users so many credit resets t…

Subscription is ~$200/month. When I tried running on tokens it was ~$500/day for the same usage pattern. My guess is my usage is atypically high, but even if the average equivalent is $100-250/day you can get a sense of how much Anthropic is subsidizing subscriptions as a loss leader to lock market share. IMHO this is a doomed strategy since open models will get into a long tail of parity and they’ll ultimately essen…

Anthropic and OpenAI are really two different businesses in one company.

One business is serving great models via the API. I think that one is indeed going to become commoditized. The other is making consumer / developer focused products like Chat GPT, Claude Code or Codex.

Anthropic is leaning hard into making Claude Code work with things like enterprise compliance policies. I wouldn't be surprised if at least one of these companies basically ends up as a SaaS fronting many different models for different capability points, some of which are open.

Re: We're extending access to Fable 5 on all paid plans through July 12

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Post by miki123211 »

visarga wrote: post #78
theptip wrote: post #57

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I think you need to consider how much dev mindshare you get from the loss-leader. Claude has grown at an insane rate. They brought vibe-coding mainstream. At some point they might decide they have enough demand and inertia from enterprise to reduce the subsidy. But to say “it’s doomed” really misses the fact that it has already been immensely successful.

We can switch in a heartbeat to a competitor, what kept us to Claude was that it had better models for a while. Closing Fable off means they are squarely inferior now. For me Opus 4.8 was a slow model with a strong habit of talking down to me in an obnoxious way that would not be possible to prompt away. GPT 5.5 is now my main driver for serious work.

In my experience, all Anthropic models tend to produce hard-to-understand word soup. They're like the kind of person who likes to use fancy words just to show you how much smarter they are.

That doesn't mean those models are stupid or just pretending. I do think that Fable is the best we can get right now. Nevertheless, I prefer OpenAI models for easier tasks where the primary output is text and explanations, not code.

Re: We're extending access to Fable 5 on all paid plans through July 12

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Post by jatora »

Culonavirus wrote: post #117
ahofmann wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://github.com/obra/superpowers

Some people just need to complicate things as a state of their natural being. What a tremendous waste of time.

Exactly. It really is such a ridiculous waste of time
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