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China sentences official to death for taking $325M in bribes

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It's run by a family from there, they speak dialect among themselves which is very much not Wuhanhua. The food is only slightly xinjiang actually, its a stretch noodle shop with a couple of lamb dishes. But even if it were the latter.. even that would go against the narrative of total cultural hostility?

In context, and I'm not just thinking of Uyghur culture in China here, the presence of {X}-like restaurants can mean a lot of things. Majority culture "celebrating" / "allowing" minority culture restaurants, clubs, bars, etc happens in many different ways with many differing meanings, complicated layers even. Black Harlem in New York went through stages of being an outpost of US black culture(s) (from US North and So…

Ok, can I step back a bit and call out some big picture differences?

The legacy of slavery in America is a key component of the microwave background radiation there, the story seeps into default assumptions of everything.

China just.. doesn't have that. They had slavery amongst themselves in the olden days like everyone else but no master race chattel slavery period. There's definitely racism on the black/white scale here but it mostly goes with perceived income/status of the black/white foreigner (most blacks here are from africa), its not some core piece of the national story.

Additionally, minorities here have mostly always been loosely governed people at the empire's periphery, rather than integrated and persecuted in the core. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_regions_of_China). The Xinjiang camps were an exceptional case after some terror attacks, and they're over now.

I think the equivalent core narrative here would be being victims of colonialism during the century of humiliation, which puts them if anything on the same side as domestic minorities.

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The US has four times as many prisoners per capita as China, the "police state." edit: some interesting trivia. Due to the combination of America's incarceration rate, a racist justice system, and a completely wealthless and desperate class of freed slaves who were never compensated (although their owners were), Black Americans are 0.5% of the world's population but 5% of the world's prison population.

Another piece of interesting trivia: PRC can legally confiscate and search your devices without warrant nor case.

Oh really?

Your american KGB knows nearly everything about me, as well as about any other person with internet access (and also those without), without any "warrants", "judges", etc

Never even imagined in Soviet Union.

You are the ultimate horror.

Re: China sentences official to death for taking $325M in bribes

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Other details for the official (Yang Youlin) in this news.

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Whistleblower Yang Hai already reported Yang Youlin for his economic misconduct in July 2008. The whistleblower was detained because of the report at Nov 21st, 2008.

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People's comment on this matter around March, 2009:

哇塞!终于有人敢动杨友林啦,杨海好样的。杨友林此人早该除无奈碍于他的势力。除掉杨友林大快人心。Wow! Finally, someone dares to take action against Yang Youlin. Good job, Yang Hai. That guy should have been dealt with long ago, but we were stuck with his influence. Getting rid of him is incredibly satisfying.

不杀此贪官,难平民愤。If you don't execute this corrupt official, you won't appease the public's anger.

江宁有一个传说,谁也动不了杨永林!There's a legend in Jiangning: nobody can touch Yang Youlin!

他的保护伞是谁?Who is protecting him?

希望引起中央的重视!I hope this gets the attention of the central government!

现在社会怎么啦?好多天了根本没人关注这件事?是上层没有看到?还是视而不见?还是怕牵连自己?What's going on with society lately? It's been days and no one is paying attention to this! Did the higher-ups miss it? Are they turning a blind eye? Or are they just afraid of getting dragged into it?

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Since the report, there were several pieces of news about "the investigation about Yang Youlin is ongoing", but no real progress until 2023.

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barbaric is society which has half of the worlwide population living with less than 6 USD per day in borderline slavery

barbaric is society which has 1% of its adult population living behind bars

If 1% of its adult population have committed crimes then it would not be barbaric if they were in jail?

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> You can’t buy your way out if you do something Not with money.

It's also not like the West doesn't impose extremely harsh punishments on the top financial crimes. You can go away for life if you steal enough money.

Does this actually happen in practice?

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You are murdering people for so much less.. In Iran, Gaza, Russia (no no, it is not you, it is.. "Ukraine"). You are much worse than them, actually. Though believing yourself to be the light of civilization, soulless robots..

The US has four times as many prisoners per capita as China, the "police state." edit: some interesting trivia. Due to the combination of America's incarceration rate, a racist justice system, and a completely wealthless and desperate class of freed slaves who were never compensated (although their owners were), Black Americans are 0.5% of the world's population but 5% of the world's prison population.

Perhaps people in the US commit more crimes than people in China?

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In the 90s and 00s when I was a kid, being a crook had real consequences here too. Not the death penalty per second, but the die in prison penalty left and right. When John Meriweather and the rest of LTCM nearly blew up the market they didn't get a bailout, and the taxpayer didn't fund the hole in the balance sheet. The New York Fed organized private money and leaned on all their counterparties to get it done, but t…

I think your comment is valuable and insightful, but > China is demanding more. I have yet to see evidence of that beyond propaganda. Naming someone who reportedly gets a harsh sentence is not evidence.

When is the last time someone was given the death penalty for a white collar crime in the US?

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Generally in a federal prison for non-violent offenders. on edit: In the U.S obviously, in Western European nations I would assume better conditions than that even.

Seems like the appropriate place for a non-violent offender.

I certainly don't want him sent somewhere violent, but the life in prison for financial crimes is generally less harsh, when comparing experiences not reasons for imposition, than life in prison for other things.

Also, just off the top of my head I would expect many people getting life in prison for other things are younger than people getting life in prison for financial crimes, since financial crime tends to happen between mid 30s to mid 40s and violent crime tends to happen in teens and twenties. Assuming that the reason for skewing financial crime higher, because needing business connections and experience to pull off, holds with the size of crime without an stats to back me up I will say my naive expectation is the financial crimes that earn you life in prison would tend to be in the 50s, while the violent crimes mainly remain teens and twenties.

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The antifreeze toothpaste people didn’t get away with it, nor did the 3000 pigs in the river people, and nor did that one group of executives who were in charge of a fertilizer/chemical plant that was one of the largest industrial catastrophes in the world let alone China. If you get caught in China, Vietnam, or Singapore the penalties for white collar criminals is zero tolerance. You can’t buy your way out if you do…

if trump ordered someone to be shot for accepting bribes we would find this idea a lot less appealing anyone who spent a lot of time in that part of the world will tell you this stuff can basically be made up the western method to do this is to plant csa material on a person and then publicly announce they've been caught with it. not many people consider that 'possession' can simply be a USB stick found in a tree on…

not many people consider that 'possession' can simply be a USB stick found in a tree on your 2 acre lot, or a usb stick that has been planted in your car

That's because that's not how the laws worked in the U.S., nor have the laws ever worked that way. If that was actually how the laws worked, a lot of enemies of each administration would get tarred with this, instead of literally none of them.

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