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Re: l: A new runtime for k and q

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Post by jloveless »

quotemstr wrote: post #45
enduku wrote: post #16

yeah the site's clearly vibecoded and isn't opensource, but i also think this is a genuinely interesting design space and more people should be building in it. APL ( https://www.dyalog.com/ ), BQN ( https://mlochbaum.github.io/BQN/ ), J/Jd ( https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Jd/Overview ), Klong ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10586872 ), Kerf ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9782520 ), RayforceDB ( https:…

... DuckDB. Columnar databases are array languages, after all.

duckdb is great and its h2o.ai benchmark was difficult to beat!

Re: l: A new runtime for k and q

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Post by lioeters »

jloveless wrote: post #55
lioeters wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fair enough. Without seeing the code itself, one can only judge the book by its cover. I'm interested, but maybe not quite the target audience.

Unfortunately the code itself is in a style of C many find difficult to read. I blame my upbringing. ATW open sourced examples and it was not really helpful. More recently others are doing a step by step in more standard C https://github.com/ardentsia-cgs/kparser/

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Re: l: A new runtime for k and q

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Post by jloveless »

plastic041 wrote: post #63

I thought too long to find out what a means in a new runtime.

Sorry about that. Basically you can now write and run code in the K/q/or qsql languages on your laptop for free. For a very long time (20 years+) this language has not been accessible to most - it’s almost exclusively used on Wall Street and has a very high price barrier to entry. Q programmers are still some of the most highly paid engineers consistently - as the workforce is small and the use cases are (generally) extremely lucrative. If you are a programmer wondering what comes next… q might be for you. Over the decades I’ve taught a few dozen people Q- and I’m happy to say they’ve gone on to have wonderful and stable careers in high paying jobs with deep stability. Mostly hedge funds and banks (and exchanges). It’s a wonderful and often times world changing language and now you can play with it yourself. It’s also very very fast. As a database it’s still insanely great for many usecases.

Re: l: A new runtime for k and q

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Post by jloveless »

eismcc wrote: post #65

If this kind of thing interests you, you can try KlongPy (based on Klong) which also now has backprop support making it a differential array language.

KlongPy and KlongPy + duckDB are wonderful. GREAT job. I think there's a whole world of backprop / ML work that can be done in that style! Given the heritage not surprising that most Klong code is ~= L in k mode! Same with ngn/k . E.g. sigmoid is almost the same (:: for assign in klongpy , : for l/q/k). The autograd work is great!

Re: l: A new runtime for k and q

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Post by jloveless »

vessenes wrote: post #22

We'd like to see some benchmarks against open and closed k interpreters please! I'm curious how well a vibe coded k/q interpreter stands up to Shakti or whatever Mr. Whitney is letting out the door right now.

Definitely not a vibe coded language - I really wish the ai models were more helpful - but I should do a write up of the assembly analysis (and asm2vec). ATW is working on even more impressive things at the moment! Well beyond the scope of an interpreter itself.

Re: l: A new runtime for k and q

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Post by macmac »

Onavo wrote: post #46
enduku wrote: post #16

yeah the site's clearly vibecoded and isn't opensource, but i also think this is a genuinely interesting design space and more people should be building in it. APL ( https://www.dyalog.com/ ), BQN ( https://mlochbaum.github.io/BQN/ ), J/Jd ( https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Jd/Overview ), Klong ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10586872 ), Kerf ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9782520 ), RayforceDB ( https:…

I hope OP can survive the lawsuits though, the K authors are infamously litigious.

Interesting, references?

Re: l: A new runtime for k and q

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Post by nemothekid »

kensai wrote: post #57
enduku wrote: post #16

yeah the site's clearly vibecoded and isn't opensource, but i also think this is a genuinely interesting design space and more people should be building in it. APL ( https://www.dyalog.com/ ), BQN ( https://mlochbaum.github.io/BQN/ ), J/Jd ( https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Jd/Overview ), Klong ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10586872 ), Kerf ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9782520 ), RayforceDB ( https:…

What's the problem if a site is vibecoded? We will be seeing it more often, I recon. Let's get used to it. On the other hand, perhaps a disclaimer is in order.

>What's the problem if a site is vibecoded?

Typically if a site is well designed, that used to be a signal that a lot of resources had been invested into the project. Now that signal is rather noisy.

Here, is particularly bad, as the main page is just complete slop bullet points. What does 'end-to-end column compression' mean? or 'uniform bytes at every layer'?

It's difficult to understand at a glance now, if this project is going to be abandonware in a week or if someone actually spending time on this. If the creator can't be bothered to read it, why should I?

Personally, I'm also very weary of Claude design-isms. Once you learn them, you see them everywhere.

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