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Re: Most lives are lived by default

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I don't like these kinds of posts, because they suggest that happiness is something just within our grasp, if only we did the exact right thing to grasp it. In this case, it's suggesting happiness comes in part from questing to find major change X in your life that will change everything. But I think that's actually the cause of a lot of unhappiness. It's a perpetual "grass is always greener" situation. Say you go on…

I directly disagree with this post and take a naturalist approach. People aren't unhappy because they want more; they are unhappy because their basic needs aren't met. And by needs I don't mean material needs, but basic self realization needs.

We actually need very little to be happy, but people now live their lives in way they were not designed to be. As a primordial tribesmen, all people needed were the love and camaraderie of their fellow tribesmen (ie work with close friends), enjoy the thrill of going out on a hunt and being recognized for success (self driven accomplishment and social status), find a mate and raise a family without being a wage slave (adequate free time, no boss), and other aspects of life where you are free to choose.

Today's corporate world has none of these simple aspects. You don't get to choose your colleagues and often don't have anything in common with them. Your work is often assigned to you, and both recognition and reward is shifted towards the company or boss. You have a boss. You make money but all your time is taken away.

You might argue we are materially better off, but biologically our brains our programmed to be happy in the old tribal way.

Some of Paul Graham's essays talk about the same issues.

Re: Most lives are lived by default

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i've said this before (sorry), but cockburn, in cooperative game, describes shu ha ri - http://alistair.cockburn.us/Shu+Ha+Ri - as three stages of mastering something: following, detaching and fluent. anyway, this post is so second stage it makes me wince.

Fantastic link, thank you. These terms are incredibly useful and accurate.

Re: Most lives are lived by default

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I've always been unhappiest when I sit down and try to decide if I am happy. I find I am happiest when I am thinking about my situation or life in general the least.

When reading the post about the example giving of the guy who seems happy I thought to myself, "this guy sounds a lot like me, why wouldn't he be happy?" I was disappointed to discover that the only reason he wasn't happy was because he is basically choosing to be unhappy in what seems like a good situation.

Re: Most lives are lived by default

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i've said this before (sorry), but cockburn, in cooperative game, describes shu ha ri - http://alistair.cockburn.us/Shu+Ha+Ri - as three stages of mastering something: following, detaching and fluent. anyway, this post is so second stage it makes me wince.

Maybe, however I read the original article to mean that the process some people use to make life decisions is the "following" stage in the context of shu ha ri.

From what I can understand: It isn't possible to reach the second stage without first exploring the first as you need to know the baseline to understand the differences between options. Also it isn't possible to reach the third stage without the second because you don't have a full intuitive understanding of what effect each variable has.

Based off this I don't see the post being second stage as a necessary negative, the aim of the article is to nudge people from the following stage into the detaching stage.

I imagine when reading the original article people in the following stage have most potential benefit, people in the detaching stage will agree with the article and won't learn much (but maybe it will affirm their beliefs a bit) and people in the fluent stage have surpassed the advice in the article and will regard it as backwards.

Re: Most lives are lived by default

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I don't like these kinds of posts, because they suggest that happiness is something just within our grasp, if only we did the exact right thing to grasp it. In this case, it's suggesting happiness comes in part from questing to find major change X in your life that will change everything. But I think that's actually the cause of a lot of unhappiness. It's a perpetual "grass is always greener" situation. Say you go on…

I directly disagree with this post and take a naturalist approach. People aren't unhappy because they want more; they are unhappy because their basic needs aren't met. And by needs I don't mean material needs, but basic self realization needs. We actually need very little to be happy, but people now live their lives in way they were not designed to be. As a primordial tribesmen, all people needed were the love and ca…

While I'm no expert on the matter that sounds like an awfully rose-coloured view of the life of a typical "primordial tribesman".

Re: Most lives are lived by default

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Thanks for the link Ryan.

I resonate with the post a lot. Recently moved to the bay area, after spending undergraduate years in chicago, working in nyc, hong kong, beijing, I feel that where we live determines a lot of how we live our lives, and people we associate with.

I disagree with the comments here that the author is suggesting that happiness is a goal. He's merely, in my view, presenting the fact that we should strive to make difficult decisions on our lives before it's too late. Choosing where we live is one of the most difficult things to change, however, all changes can start small.

Two years ago I took a sabbatical from my finance job, and never went back. It was a zig zag path to where I am now, but I would say the inconvenience and uncomfortable situations are worth it. So many people tell themselves, I'll stay in this job / city / relationship for one more year, till I get more experience / savings etc. Making difficult decisions (instead of putting them off) forces us to clarify our values. We might decide in the end to never leave the city, or the job, but we are happier because we decide consciously to, not because we dont' have a choice.

Re: Most lives are lived by default

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The scariest thing in being happy is how much of our everyday lives turn into meaningless pile of deprecated trade-offs. Things that you thought meant something for you actually don't. Things that you thought you'd keep for life actually turn out to be nonimportant. People you considered close were just vehicles for you: you gave them that love you didn't know how to give to yourself. And finally, things that you so…

I am not trying to troll you; I mean this question honestly: Why do you care so much about being happy? I know that is the default goal of most people, but it seems rather like chasing gold at the end of the rainbow when you have no reason to think that the gold exists. Do you know of anyone anywhere ever who has spent the majority of their time 100% or even 80% happy? Was this person a holder of a medical marijuana card?

I think we would look down on someone who spent their life stoned. I do not see why this method of achieving the "happy" feeling as any less admirable than any other method. In the end, you are just striving to be chemically stoned, though one method uses outside chemicals to achieve this feeling and the other uses activities and experiences of a non-chemical nature. In the end you are just striving to put and to keep your brain in some chemical state. Does not seem like much to me.

Christopher Hitchens -- who has been on my mind much as the first anniversary of his death is in nine days -- once said that if offered a stress-free and blissful life, he would not want it, that he likes the feeling of burning the candle at both ends and the stress of things. Do not make the mistake of saying that he has redefined happiness for himself to mean the state of stress, because that is not what we are talking about when people talk about wanting to "be happy". They mean they want to feel good and joyous. Hitchens did not say that being stressed and attenuated through effort gave him joy, he only said that he preferred this state to anything else. I sympathize with him on this point and take it from me, this is not the same as the "happiness" that most people are talking about. It is more like a state of satisfaction with occasional blimps of good humor mixed in with a great deal of unpleasant emotions. But, stiff upper lip and all that.

I think anyone who imagines that if they start a startup and strike it rich that, like a Sim, all their need meters will max out at green and they will feel permanently joyous is completely kidding themselves. This just is not how life goes. Life does not plateau at joy. It is a constant moving wave.

Re: Most lives are lived by default

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I don't like these kinds of posts, because they suggest that happiness is something just within our grasp, if only we did the exact right thing to grasp it. In this case, it's suggesting happiness comes in part from questing to find major change X in your life that will change everything. But I think that's actually the cause of a lot of unhappiness. It's a perpetual "grass is always greener" situation. Say you go on…

I agree completely that happiness comes from within. And yet there is a duality that has always struck me as important, though hard to explain: it's easiest to be happy when you're striving toward a goal you believe in. But you need to keep your sense of self, your ego, non-attached to the outcome of the striving. That is, you need to invest yourself 100% into doing things that are important to you, but remain detach…

This is the main philosophy of the Hindu scripture the Bhagavad Gita which says :

"Your right is only to work, and never to its fruits. Don't be motivated by the fruits of work. Nor should you be attached to inaction."

Re: Most lives are lived by default

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i've said this before (sorry), but cockburn, in cooperative game, describes shu ha ri - http://alistair.cockburn.us/Shu+Ha+Ri - as three stages of mastering something: following, detaching and fluent. anyway, this post is so second stage it makes me wince.

Maybe, however I read the original article to mean that the process some people use to make life decisions is the "following" stage in the context of shu ha ri. From what I can understand: It isn't possible to reach the second stage without first exploring the first as you need to know the baseline to understand the differences between options. Also it isn't possible to reach the third stage without the second becaus…

i don't really disagree with you (and i felt unfair even when posting).

in my defense, all i can say is that what rubs me the wrong way is not the process, or the fact that someone is learning, but the tone. yes, we're all on these different stages at different times. but once you acknowledge that, shouting about any particular one as "the" solution seems a bit strong. especially when you know that you're going to look back on this particular point as just one more - perhaps confused - step.

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