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Waymo reports teen riders for bad behavior and delivers them to the police

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Re: Waymo reports teen riders for bad behavior and delivers them to the police

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Post by clipsy »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #7
rolph wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

hmmm kidknapped due to a false positive would be a bit of an oops to try and rewind. its bad enough that the cops do it [just try and get them to give you a ride back to where thay took you from, even when they are told to cut you loose] it causes real damages when you basically abduct and strand someone. these "kids" were shooting orbees out the windows, so mischief on them, but get it wrong once and it could get ex…

> these "kids" were shooting orbees out the windows, so mischief on them, but get it wrong once and it could get expensive It would be a tiny settlement, particularly now that we have documented cases like this one where the policy is preventing real harm. Like, if you're a kid drinking and shooting bystanders from the back of an Uber, what do you think is going to happen?

> Like, if you're a kid drinking and shooting bystanders from the back of an Uber, what do you think is going to happen?

I certainly don't think the Uber driver would hold me prisoner.

Re: Waymo reports teen riders for bad behavior and delivers them to the police

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Post by [deleted] »

Schiendelman wrote: post #5

I'm 99% sure that a human made these decisions after viewing the cameras in the vehicle, not that the Waymo vehicle itself decided to contact the police and park in a parking lot with these kids. This honestly seems pretty ideal. In a dangerous situation, the only risk is property damage - there's no driver to threaten!

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Re: Waymo reports teen riders for bad behavior and delivers them to the police

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Post by rolph »

clipsy wrote: post #11
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> these "kids" were shooting orbees out the windows, so mischief on them, but get it wrong once and it could get expensive It would be a tiny settlement, particularly now that we have documented cases like this one where the policy is preventing real harm. Like, if you're a kid drinking and shooting bystanders from the back of an Uber, what do you think is going to happen?

> Like, if you're a kid drinking and shooting bystanders from the back of an Uber, what do you think is going to happen? I certainly don't think the Uber driver would hold me prisoner.

im thinking a human driver would WTF and pull over into a parking the instant the BB guns came out

Re: Waymo reports teen riders for bad behavior and delivers them to the police

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Post by ButlerianJihad »

One time I was settling into a long Waymo ride (about 15 miles through traffic) and it was rolling down a wide urban street where a white English-speaking guy like me is distinctly a minority.

And I was playing Pat Benatar's "Hit Me with Your Best Shot" with the windows wide open, and waving at other cars, and singing along at the top of my lungs, and eventually, Waymo Support rings in, and the guy goes, "just checking in! Is everything alright there?" and I go "er... yeah" and he goes "OK! thank you bye!"

So I decided maybe there had been an external complaint, and I should perhaps keep the windows up, and the music down a few notches from now on. Especially as a minority in such a neighborhood like that one.

Re: Waymo reports teen riders for bad behavior and delivers them to the police

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Post by Schiendelman »

ButlerianJihad wrote: post #14

One time I was settling into a long Waymo ride (about 15 miles through traffic) and it was rolling down a wide urban street where a white English-speaking guy like me is distinctly a minority. And I was playing Pat Benatar's "Hit Me with Your Best Shot" with the windows wide open, and waving at other cars, and singing along at the top of my lungs, and eventually, Waymo Support rings in, and the guy goes, "just checki…

Ha! I don't think there was an external complaint. I suspect that was the mic/cameras IN the car alerting support because you were loud and they wanted to make sure you were okay. :)

Re: Waymo reports teen riders for bad behavior and delivers them to the police

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

rolph wrote: post #13
clipsy wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Like, if you're a kid drinking and shooting bystanders from the back of an Uber, what do you think is going to happen? I certainly don't think the Uber driver would hold me prisoner.

im thinking a human driver would WTF and pull over into a parking the instant the BB guns came out

And provide footage to Uber and the authorities. I don’t want to be in an Uber with a driver who wouldn’t.

Re: Waymo reports teen riders for bad behavior and delivers them to the police

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Post by nojvek »

Schiendelman wrote: post #15
ButlerianJihad wrote: post #14

One time I was settling into a long Waymo ride (about 15 miles through traffic) and it was rolling down a wide urban street where a white English-speaking guy like me is distinctly a minority. And I was playing Pat Benatar's "Hit Me with Your Best Shot" with the windows wide open, and waving at other cars, and singing along at the top of my lungs, and eventually, Waymo Support rings in, and the guy goes, "just checki…

Ha! I don't think there was an external complaint. I suspect that was the mic/cameras IN the car alerting support because you were loud and they wanted to make sure you were okay. :)

If you’re screaming for help vs singing on top of your lungs, it’s a minor difference. Worth a check.

Re: Waymo reports teen riders for bad behavior and delivers them to the police

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Post by nisegami »

baranul wrote: post #9
Schiendelman wrote: post #5

I'm 99% sure that a human made these decisions after viewing the cameras in the vehicle, not that the Waymo vehicle itself decided to contact the police and park in a parking lot with these kids. This honestly seems pretty ideal. In a dangerous situation, the only risk is property damage - there's no driver to threaten!

Agree. AI is not there yet, but it seems it is coming, and that would be scary. People will one day be in the scenario, where AI judges human behavior, and then decides what type of punishments to dish out based on it.

I personally think that frontier LLMs are already at the point where I trust them to be a better judge of human behavior than humans overall.

Re: Waymo reports teen riders for bad behavior and delivers them to the police

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Post by Schiendelman »

nisegami wrote: post #18
baranul wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree. AI is not there yet, but it seems it is coming, and that would be scary. People will one day be in the scenario, where AI judges human behavior, and then decides what type of punishments to dish out based on it.

I personally think that frontier LLMs are already at the point where I trust them to be a better judge of human behavior than humans overall.

Absolutely. But they still hallucinate, I wouldn't want them to take action themselves, just flag things for human review.
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