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Men's average testosterone levels have halved in last 50 years

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Re: Men's average testosterone levels have halved in last 50 years

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Post by bradlys »

BobbyTables2 wrote: post #56

I really wonder, what is “normal”? One class of doctors thinks roughly 250 is enough for a middle aged guy - anything over shouldn’t be medically treated. Of course, the “men’s clinics” don’t rest until it’s over 1000... With the standard range so wide (even after age adjustment), why isn’t it measured annually, like the CBC and others? Sure, it’s easy to point at obesity, but statistical ranges completely fail the i…

There are wide ranges but it's more about how you feel personally and what you've noticed over time. Some men have below average T but feel great and build serious muscle anyway.

The two sigma range is something like 300-900 with std being 150 and median 600. This is for what is labeled as healthy 18-39 men. It doesn't include obese men.

If you want to take something away from it, just get yourself measured a few times over a few years. Then later if you have issues that relate to low T or whatever you can flag it with your doctor. In my case, it was super important because I found out I am in the top 0.01% of (healthy) total T producers. If I had "low T" type symptoms and went to my doctor without that information - they'd be like, "no, your T is amazing actually."

Everyone has a different baseline. I only wish I started measuring before I was in my mid-30s because I feel my levels before were even more ridiculous.

Re: Men's average testosterone levels have halved in last 50 years

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Post by Ancapistani »

xvxvx wrote: post #4

“The solution that’s being promoted is that we give you testosterone,” he said. “But if you give a man testosterone, you switch off his sperm production. I’ve seen that in the clinic.” Interesting…

It's becoming clear that it's not permanent. Discontinuing exogenous testosterone will lead to restarting your own body's production - it just takes a bit, and isn't fun to deal with.

Re: Men's average testosterone levels have halved in last 50 years

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Post by swat535 »

Zealotux wrote: post #40
xvxvx wrote: post #4

“The solution that’s being promoted is that we give you testosterone,” he said. “But if you give a man testosterone, you switch off his sperm production. I’ve seen that in the clinic.” Interesting…

Are you being sarcastic? That has been widely known by steroid users for decades, that's why many of them supplements with hCG in an attempt to preserve their natural production.

I was diagnosed with Secondary Hypogonadism few years ago.

After a series of tests, it was determined that my Testostrone levels well below normal.

My urologist prescribed HCG after I insisted that I wanted to have children someday. It has been a life changer and the best part is that my sperm count has doubled.

Unfortunately, HCG Mono will not treat all forms of Hypogonadism, some patients have to take Testosterone Cypionate which comes with serious side effects like hair loss, infertility, etc

HCG also shares some of those side effects but it saves your fertility and prevents Testicular atrophy.. Also it doesn't shut down your natural production albeit it does suppress LH receptors by default..

My point is this: if you suspect having Testostrone issues, don't randomly inject yourself with hormones.. go see a urologist and get a serious treatment.

Re: Men's average testosterone levels have halved in last 50 years

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Post by camkego »

jmclnx wrote: post #37
OldSchool wrote: post #15

I'm old, but I get this subjective read: of my friends and even family who had sons, they seemed smaller and less bold than we were 50 years ago.

There is also correlation of the elimination of Lead Paint to violent crime. So that may need to be taken into account. Lead Paint elimination started in the Early 70s IIRC, so the same time period :)

I think the study you might be thinking of shows a drop in crime due to the reduction of lead in gasoline, thus we are now breathing less lead.

Re: Men's average testosterone levels have halved in last 50 years

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Post by dumberquestions »

cromka wrote: post #50
vinyl7 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Baldness is caused by dht

Which is a byproduct of testosterone, so...

Even if more testosterone means more DHT, most of the variability in hair loss is explained by differences in DHT sensitivity levels.

Re: Men's average testosterone levels have halved in last 50 years

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Post by aucisson_masque »

snootypoot wrote: post #59
aucisson_masque wrote: post #19

America found the solution, put everyone on enhanced TRT and cash a shit load of bucks in the process :) Others are trying to regulate pesticide, junk food (obesity, diabete). For instance nutriscore in Europe, also the recent change on pesticide allowed. I'm not sure it will be enough, but at least they are attacking to the root cause. You're not just adding even more problem, like the increased cardiovascular event…

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You don't increase T by lowering E2 or tricking your brain into it. It comes with too many sides effects and anyway the effect ain't strong.
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