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China sentences official to death for taking $325M in bribes

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Re: China sentences official to death for taking $325M in bribes

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The thing they have zero tolerance for is the embarrassment, not the corruption, pollution, crime, or other abuse. You can do whatever you can get away with so long as you don't cause embarrassment or shame.

That's one of the big cultural differences that people from the West don't really get - that "saving face" is one of the core concepts that Eastern societies are built on - not the actual things that, when discovered, cause you to lose face (e.g. corruption).

(Spoilers for The Wire)

I buy the whole thing that some cultures give more weight to face-saving than others. I would classify my supposedly western country (Chile) as one that gives it more weight than, for example, Germany. Even then, this just sounds like a kneejerk "you cannot trust these dastardly orientals".

Face saving is a thing in the US, to the point that it's a common plot point prestige TV (e.g most of The Wire). It's an accepted fact in political campaign with spin doctors. The 30K in credit card debt to keep up appearances is also face culture. The hustle culture, etc.

You don't need to be racist, you just can be skeptic of the claims of an autocratic government.

Re: China sentences official to death for taking $325M in bribes

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More impactful than prison? Nah. Why not both?

> More impactful than prison? Class-based systems get pretty weird at the top.

Yes, but also, for Andrew to have behaved this way, a lot more people than him had to be involved. It appears they get no sanction.

Re: China sentences official to death for taking $325M in bribes

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Killing people in any context is barbaric because it is not possible to bring someone back from the dead. I’m not a law expert but it seems pretty basic that there shouldn’t be irreversible punishment. Also there should be equity which means everyone that does the same crime should face the same consequence, which doesn’t happen anywhere in the world as far as I can understand. So harsher punishment means people with…

barbaric is society which has half of the worlwide population living with less than 6 USD per day in borderline slavery

The problem with putting a dollar number on it is it's devoid of context. Lunch from McDonald's is going to cost me $15 in the US, so $6 is not enough to live off of here. But the actual number is irrelevant. Is it enough to get food for the day or the week. How about housing? $6 doesn't sound like a lot, but if lunch is $0.50 and a roof over your head is $1.00 for the night, $6 goes a lot further!

Re: China sentences official to death for taking $325M in bribes

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I sometimes see people "celebrate" this, with the rationale that China is cracking down on white-collar crimes and handing out sentences unheard of in the west. But, are these sort of things just examples of selective prosecution? Would the inner circle members of CCP leadership realistically face the same prosecution and sentencing, if they were to be caught doing the same?

At least they try to appear anti-corruption—that's certainly more than you can say about the west.

It's easy to appear anti-corruption if you have complete control your country's internet and almost as much control of your country's internet.

Re: China sentences official to death for taking $325M in bribes

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Generally in a federal prison for non-violent offenders. on edit: In the U.S obviously, in Western European nations I would assume better conditions than that even.

Seems like the appropriate place for a non-violent offender.

I suppose it is only non-violent on the surface. What if the stolen money could have been used to strengthen the healthcare system or improve citizens’ lives in other ways?

Re: China sentences official to death for taking $325M in bribes

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These are just weird fantasies that you're writing out, with absolutely no reference to any events that have happened in China. You seem to just be writing fiction, and assigning it to the Chinese. The Chinese are actually people, though, they're real. If you want to accuse them of unremitting evil, you should be able to talk about something they did in detail. That does not mean that you should google "China bad" an…

>What Cold War propaganda did to Western brains is tragic. Some weird fantasies you have. I grew up in USSR. So very well familiar with inner workings of such regimes.

> I grew up in USSR. So very well familiar with inner workings of such regimes.

Just wondering how old you are? 60? 70?

Re: China sentences official to death for taking $325M in bribes

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That's one of the big cultural differences that people from the West don't really get - that "saving face" is one of the core concepts that Eastern societies are built on - not the actual things that, when discovered, cause you to lose face (e.g. corruption).

(Spoilers for The Wire) I buy the whole thing that some cultures give more weight to face-saving than others. I would classify my supposedly western country (Chile) as one that gives it more weight than, for example, Germany. Even then, this just sounds like a kneejerk "you cannot trust these dastardly orientals". Face saving is a thing in the US, to the point that it's a common plot point prestige TV (e.g most of Th…

Nowhere did I say that Western countries don't care about saving face - it's just not a deeply embedded cultural priority that is nearly as valued as it is in many Eastern cultures (including, relevantly, China).

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Ah yes, the old - it’s too complex to understand by outsiders argument. And claims of racism to boot. Taiwan is Chinese, they don’t have this system. So spare me the crocodile tears. Single party rule and state controlled media with one of the most sophisticated censorship infrastructure in the world has exactly one simple goal.

Which goal is that?

Control.

Re: China sentences official to death for taking $325M in bribes

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That's one of the big cultural differences that people from the West don't really get - that "saving face" is one of the core concepts that Eastern societies are built on - not the actual things that, when discovered, cause you to lose face (e.g. corruption).

Ah, the old “only western people have morals, everyone else just cares about how it looks” argument. And where did you get this super objective assessment that eastern peoples only care about “saving face”? Couldn’t be a stereotype popularized by western people to feel better about themselves could it? The racists always come out in full force under any post showing an eastern country doing something better than the…

> Ah, the old “only western people have morals, everyone else just cares about how it looks” argument.

That's not even remotely close to what I said. You should read the comment you're responding before responding with ignorant and blatantly manipulative falsehoods.

> And where did you get this super objective assessment that eastern peoples only care about “saving face”?

Again - never said anything like that. Learn to read.

> The racists

Actually, learn to think. This has absolutely nothing to do with race, as anyone who has passed high school can tell you. This claim is straight-up objectively false.

The second you start slinging the word "racist" around you immediately prove that you have zero valid points to give and are just trying to cry your way into acceptance. Which correlates with the rest of this post.

This is either a troll post, written by a middle-schooler, or blatant propaganda.

Re: China sentences official to death for taking $325M in bribes

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> executed He was shot after opening fire, unprovoked, on federal agents performing a search of his home under a lawfully obtained warrant.

Willingly and with aforethought engineering a situation that is practically guaranteed provoke an asleep person with ~no notice in the early morning to "unprovoked" defend themselves and wife against unknown people breaking into their home in order to lawfully "defend" one's self is execution in my book. I can understand if there's some imminent threat but there was none. He was going to wake up, and report to a secu…

They gave notice, and supplying guns to criminals sounds like an immanent threat to me. I don’t think you’re being rational, here.
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