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Re: Chat Control 1.0 and 2.0 Explained

#101

Post by sdsdssweew213 »

petcat wrote: post #36
Zufriedenheit wrote: post #28

They claim to protect consumers and privacy and then push this creepy surveillance state.

At this point I think it's obvious that EU is in turmoil. They're struggling to come to grips with the idea of a Russian invasion on their eastern borders, and simultaneously USA pivoting to Asia and not willing to front their defense after 40+ years of imploring them to do so themselves. They've outsourced nearly every critical component of a large sustainable society to the rest of the world: Russia, USA, China, In…

EU has quite successfully decoupled from Russia already, we aren't heavily dependent on Russian energy or other natural resources anymore.

Also, EU countries in Eastern Europe do already have a high military spending, and even Western European countries are improving.

The situation is less than ideal but not hopeless.

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Post by holoduke »

sdsdssweew213 wrote: post #101
petcat wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point I think it's obvious that EU is in turmoil. They're struggling to come to grips with the idea of a Russian invasion on their eastern borders, and simultaneously USA pivoting to Asia and not willing to front their defense after 40+ years of imploring them to do so themselves. They've outsourced nearly every critical component of a large sustainable society to the rest of the world: Russia, USA, China, In…

EU has quite successfully decoupled from Russia already, we aren't heavily dependent on Russian energy or other natural resources anymore. Also, EU countries in Eastern Europe do already have a high military spending, and even Western European countries are improving. The situation is less than ideal but not hopeless.

It's hopeless. Enormous amounts of money is flowing out of Europe into China and the US. Europe has dogshit to offer. You already see it with gdp not growing. Whereas rest of the world did grow. Even Russia has higher GDP growth than Germany. Euro leadership is not smart.

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#104

Post by ikrenji »

73738384 wrote: post #42
rpadovani wrote: post #11

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> Nobody in EU is saying the EU should clean up others' mess around the world That's literally what the top poster said. Your points make sense, "EU should reopen Hormuz" is laughable

Either the EU opens Hormuz or the EU pays twice the pre war rate for gas / oil indefinitely. Of course at least they can put the subjects that bitch about it in jail now.

how is EU supposed to open hormuz? do you expect them to raise armies and go to war over a shipping lane? I think US demonstrated plenty enough this is not a viable strategy (this was known for the past 50 years)

Re: Chat Control 1.0 and 2.0 Explained

#105

Post by cassepipe »

vlian2088 wrote: post #88
cassepipe wrote: post #76

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I think less because I am not an african myself but yes, I guess it could ? Can you provide me with some example of something that you think I would not disapprove of and that amounts the exactly the same thing ? Or maybe can you try to defend the blood and soil rethoric (call it the way you want) instead of a drive-by comment ?

I'm just noticing that only European people seem to be disallowed from calling their land "their land" and outsiders "outsiders". it's "blut and soil", as if the men who fought Nazis fought Nazis for some high-minded ideals rather than their land and their people.

Oh, you're just noticing are you ? Who are those people who are "disallowing" you from calling your land your land ? How do you handle living under such oppression ?

Just come out of the woods will you

It turns out people don't like to be invaded, yes, simple as. Of course you would very much like to convince everyone that immigration is just the same as an invasion and thus, the same way to deal with it is justified. So just say so instead of dancing around and posing as the victim.

Re: Chat Control 1.0 and 2.0 Explained

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Post by holoduke »

embedding-shape wrote: post #6
rwq-askh wrote: post #5

EU politicians spend more time on chat control than on the reopening of Hormuz or EU energy security. It is a complete joke.

> EU politicians spend more time on chat control than on the reopening of Hormuz I thought I'd heard it all here on HN, but expecting EU to clean up after the US shooting itself in the foot with a completely unnecessary war probably comes somewhere in top 5 easily.

The US is now getting money from every ship passing the street. How people not see that for the US the world is a game of command and conquer. They rule everything and if it's not ruled it gets bombed.

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#108

Post by joe_mamba »

cassepipe wrote: post #43
joe_mamba wrote: post #24

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>Let's stop the blut and soil BS right here Would you also tell that to native American Indians? Or to the Japanese? Or to the Indians? It's no BS unless you've been brainwashed and make massive efforts to ignore reality. Blood based belonging to a place is hardwired in every culture and society on the planet, from Asia to the Americas. NA, UK, AU, NZ, and the EU just have added a lot of PR paint on top to pretend it…

> Taking away people's privacy and freedom of speech is a little more problematic than just "a little bureaucracy" I mean yes but it is ultimately your framing. It's concerning and worth being fought against but no worse that what US was, is or has tried to do, and despite the corrupt buffoon at its head right now, it is not a dictatorship yet. What we need is a good balance of powers and well-designed institutions,…

>I mean yes

QED. End of story. Rest is just meaningless ranting that doesn't disprove anything I said before.

Re: Chat Control 1.0 and 2.0 Explained

#110

Post by inigyou »

holoduke wrote: post #102
inigyou wrote: post #91

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If you want to expel the Jews from Germany you're a Nazi. It could not possibly be more direct than that.

Is afd supporting that idea?

They support expelling certain ethnic and religious groups from Germany, but it's not clear if the Jews are one.
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