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Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by mrtksn » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 9:37 PM UTC

DoesntMatter22 wrote: post #140

mrtksn wrote: post #132

The headline is wrong. The article and the headline seems to be written in a way to cause outrage by giving the impression that the EU requires cameras which should be recording your face all the time and storing/sending it to authorities or something but what the EU actually requires is "Advanced Driver Distraction Warning System" which may be implemented using cameras and no recording or transmitting is required, i…

I don't think it's misleading at all. Is it a camera that's aimed at your face? It seems like it.

Nope, the laws require Advanced Driver Distraction Warning System and does not require cameras aimed at your face.

Also, cameras are receivers. Nothing happens when cameras are aimed at your face, it is only significant when you are interested with the received image and it actually nothing happens, it is processed on device to see if you are tired/distracted/asleep.

Here is the actual text: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg_del/2023/2590/oj/eng

They mention that cameras are required when testing the systems compliance but does not specify how these systems should work.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by noosphr » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 9:37 PM UTC

ronbenton wrote: post #170

Weird dark surveillance state stuff. I thought EU was trying to champion privacy?

The EU wants to be the only one who spies on its citizens.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by wat10000 » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 9:38 PM UTC

ButlerianJihad wrote: post #113

awakeasleep wrote: post #9

Ford has had that since Blue Cruise 2.0, or thereabouts. It really shocked me how often it catches my attention being diverted. Things like talking to my passengers, adjusting the climate controls, or eating- I'm not even talking about 'advanced distractions' like my phone. It also seemed really accurate. I never remember it beeping at me when I was actually paying attention. It's totally plausible to me that this ki…

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Should have rolled the cost of the soda into your damages in the lawsuit.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by FunHearing3443 » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 9:38 PM UTC

Spooky23 wrote: post #129

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #6

All new cars. At this point I don't know if I'd buy anything made after 2008. Whenever I rent a new car around here (in the EU) I find them very annoying. The worst is the cruise control that tries to stick to the speed limit -- but its sensors don't always read the signs very well, so you'll often slow to 50 km/h (about 30 mph) for no reason. Then there's the incessant beeping at you, "lane assist" that you can't tu…

I bought a fancy Toyota SUV after my trusty 2008 Honda was damaged in an accident. The nagging is ridiculous. I’m actually not quite sure what lane assist does, but if I look at my side mirror it chastises me for not being attentive. It also has locked up the brakes and made me think I hit somebody when backing into my driveway. I wish I had fixed the Honda!

Are you talking about an old Honda or some issue with new Hondas?

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by lasky » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 9:38 PM UTC

I love driving.

But my 12 lb bucket of brain cells guiding itself, and other lives, is the wrong tool for the job of staying in between the two bright lines.

Self-driving, here we come.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by mrtksn » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 9:38 PM UTC

gib444 wrote: post #152

mrtksn wrote: post #132

The headline is wrong. The article and the headline seems to be written in a way to cause outrage by giving the impression that the EU requires cameras which should be recording your face all the time and storing/sending it to authorities or something but what the EU actually requires is "Advanced Driver Distraction Warning System" which may be implemented using cameras and no recording or transmitting is required, i…

I remember the brief period when they told us that the self service checkout weren't recording video. Then they just said oh actually they do now and nobody battered an eye lid If the tech is put there it's just a matter of time. They can't resist

I don't know who told you that but maybe it wasn't the EU?

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by aenis » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 9:38 PM UTC

If I hate anything about the EU, its the morons writing regulations for cars. My car constantly distracts me with some beeps, sometimes loud enough to be dangerous. Its surely one of the reasons far right is on the rise -- with things like 'drivers party' in some European countries winning serious votes. I spend 1-2hrs in the car each day, and I hate what those regulations did to driving.

(Worst offenders: Japanese cars since they seem to take the regulations most seriously. Least annoying: generally BMW, Volvo, though they are both getting worse each year).

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by dylan604 » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 9:38 PM UTC

EA-3167 wrote: post #146

cellular wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many bells would sound if SUNGLASSES hid your eyes?!

I can answer this, since I have a new car with this camera and polarized sunglasses. MOST of the time it's good about telling when I'm looking and when I'm not, out of maybe... 5 alerts over the previous 8 months all, but one occurred when I was in fact looking away for one reason or another. Likewise when it's correct my lane-keeping it's been right about me drifting. Given how inattentive I see other drivers being,…

Just because it's available in a Lexus does not mean it's available in a Corolla

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by edwinjones » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 9:38 PM UTC

This is why I like modern Renaults/Dacias. They all come with a single button to turn all of this stuff off, or to a preset of your choosing. No need to fiddle with a screen, nothing you cannot disable. Bliss.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by baw-bag » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 9:39 PM UTC

trinix912 wrote: post #106

zormino wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And you can bypass a seatbelt warning by just plugging in a buckle without the belt, but most people don't bother. It's not worth the inconvenience to circumvent, so it still has a positive impact on safety.

Seatbelts are actually heavily enforced around the EU, most people would rather just belt up than pay the fine.

Toyota... When we look after a dog for a few days for a friend, it beeps. When I put shopping on the back seat, it beeps. Drives me wild. It "beep... beep... beep..." for a minute then "BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP".

I wouldn't get another because of how annoying that is.