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Re: I'm Begging You to Leave Your AI Note-Taker at Home

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Re: Re: I'm Begging You to Leave Your AI Note-Taker at Home

#51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are AI-assistant-enriched coffee catch ups an actual thing that's happening or is OP inventing scenarios to be mad at?

I've had now-ex friends send me unsolicited ai-slop catch-up messages summarizing their life "since we last spoke".

You should reply and see if you get an agent reply.

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#52
I don't think the issue AI note-taking per se. It is whether a conversation can still be candid and confidential once everyone knows it may become permanent, searchable, and shareable. Big tech companies don't exactly have a clean record on privacy.

Just saying no sounds simple enough. But social pressure makes that very difficult.

The normalisation of constant recording really has me worried, everything is so monitored now. Privacy just keep get more and more eroded for the sake of minor convenient features and products. At what point do we start deciding these trade off are no longer worth it? And is it even too late to make that decision?

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#53

I've had medical students in the room when doctors do all kinds of checks. I somehow didn't have any reservations about that either.

I've had medical students in the room when doctors do all kinds of checks. I somehow didn't have any reservations about that either. Medical students are covered by rafts of privacy laws that will end their careers if violated. The modern tech industry runs on privacy violation. The two are not comparable.

the provider using AI to takes notes is still responsible for what happens to those notes

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post #3

> Let's imagine for a second that the whole AI craze doesn't exist, but you still would want to real-time note-taker, what would you do? Indeed, you bring a literal third person to the table. That will just be sitting there, listening in on your conversation and writing everything down. That's what secretaries were, and this happened in pretty much every significant business meeting for a long long time.

This article and the one it is responding to are explicitly talking about non-business meeting contexts. They are talking about personal conversations, medical appointments and much more casual business contexts like informal interviews. Places where there would never have been a secretary present.

To a physio therapist (the article example) that is a business meeting. That's what's strange here. That person isn't there because their you're friend: they're getting paid to be there, which makes it a business meeting, which makes a secretary, human or AI, appropriate.

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> How fucking creepy is that?! How fucking awkward is that? And before you start talking with whoever you're catching up with, you ask "You don't mind, do you?" In living memory, I had a HUMAN notetaker in important meetings. After secretaries left the world went to hell and topic experts and engineers were expected to have social graces, everything got worse. We invented new religions like agile to make up for a goo…

It has occurred to me over and over for the last several years that many of the senior engineers at my company would be substantially more productive with some sort of assistance from someone who specializes in having executive function skills. One such person given four or five engineers to manage could do wonders. And they'd also be the best source of feedback for hard-to-measure performance evaluation information like "is this senior engineer actually working on anything most days?" But executive assistants are a privilege reserved for only the people who are at level X and up.

Re: Re: I'm Begging You to Leave Your AI Note-Taker at Home

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Secretaries are compelled by the same privacy and disclosure laws as doctors - AI notetaking apps may or may not be (it'll take examination of the product on a case by case basis) and the public is, at this point, used to AI companies blatantly lying about privacy, confidentiality, training sources, reuse of conversations and pricing - the good faith is gone as a default and in a setting like a HCP that is a terrible…

> Secretaries are compelled by the same privacy and disclosure laws as doctors What HIPAA-like law is there for secretaries?

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Re: Re: I'm Begging You to Leave Your AI Note-Taker at Home

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post #3

> Let's imagine for a second that the whole AI craze doesn't exist, but you still would want to real-time note-taker, what would you do? Indeed, you bring a literal third person to the table. That will just be sitting there, listening in on your conversation and writing everything down. That's what secretaries were, and this happened in pretty much every significant business meeting for a long long time.

And then the secretary shared the conversation with 260 ‘partners’ and added everything you said to an LLM training corpus…

So, NO, this is not “what secretaries were”

Re: Re: I'm Begging You to Leave Your AI Note-Taker at Home

#59
These AI Note-Takers can also mangle the summaries. A few weeks ago I read anecdotes here about a doctor getting completely wrong information about a patient, and a manager getting upset because he was depending on a summary of something a client never said or agreed to, but the AI summary said he did. These things are downright dangerous.

Now come the replies saying, "as if human note-takers never made mistakes!"

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