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Re: I'm Begging You to Leave Your AI Note-Taker at Home

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Re: Re: I'm Begging You to Leave Your AI Note-Taker at Home

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Post by fathermarz »

Knowing both doctors and nurses before AI scribes, actually hand writing notes isn’t usually done in front of the patient. They make quick notes so they keep up with the conversation and then when they need to do long form, they reference their scribbles but do the rest from memory at the END of the day.

For every one person that says they mind, it adds likely an additional margin of error AND time to their day. So I really disagree with making people’s lives harder. That’s why technology exists…

And more and more of these systems are on device models, not cloud compute. So I don’t see that argument either

Re: Re: I'm Begging You to Leave Your AI Note-Taker at Home

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Post by vel0city »

munk-a wrote: post #20
saaaaaam wrote: post #3

> Let's imagine for a second that the whole AI craze doesn't exist, but you still would want to real-time note-taker, what would you do? Indeed, you bring a literal third person to the table. That will just be sitting there, listening in on your conversation and writing everything down. That's what secretaries were, and this happened in pretty much every significant business meeting for a long long time.

Secretaries are compelled by the same privacy and disclosure laws as doctors - AI notetaking apps may or may not be (it'll take examination of the product on a case by case basis) and the public is, at this point, used to AI companies blatantly lying about privacy, confidentiality, training sources, reuse of conversations and pricing - the good faith is gone as a default and in a setting like a HCP that is a terrible…

> Secretaries are compelled by the same privacy and disclosure laws as doctors

What HIPAA-like law is there for secretaries?

Re: Re: I'm Begging You to Leave Your AI Note-Taker at Home

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Post by yeeetz »

sevenzero wrote: post #30
saaaaaam wrote: post #3

> Let's imagine for a second that the whole AI craze doesn't exist, but you still would want to real-time note-taker, what would you do? Indeed, you bring a literal third person to the table. That will just be sitting there, listening in on your conversation and writing everything down. That's what secretaries were, and this happened in pretty much every significant business meeting for a long long time.

The secretary usually didn't wire all the info to a different company though.

she was probably remembering everything and using it as strategic office gossip anyway, same idea

Re: Re: I'm Begging You to Leave Your AI Note-Taker at Home

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Post by blitzar »

akersten wrote: post #10
john_strinlai wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and this happened in pretty much every significant business meeting i think the point being made is that you typically didn't bring your secretary with you, notepad and pen in hand, when you went down to the local coffee shop to catch up with someone.

Are AI-assistant-enriched coffee catch ups an actual thing that's happening or is OP inventing scenarios to be mad at?

On a date, when the clothes come off I press record (with consent) on my Ai assistant.

The after action report is enlightening.

Re: Re: I'm Begging You to Leave Your AI Note-Taker at Home

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Post by mc32 »

qwertox wrote: post #26
akersten wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are AI-assistant-enriched coffee catch ups an actual thing that's happening or is OP inventing scenarios to be mad at?

There could be a future, in which, during a date, each person granted their personal ai to take part in the conversation and also to exchange information among them, probably first to establish trustworthiness of the person in front of you.

So… it’s essentially computers entering into relationships on behalf of their human subscribers thus acting as a personality shim between each one of the people ensuring compatibility which will abruptly expire upon termination of the subscription…

Re: Re: I'm Begging You to Leave Your AI Note-Taker at Home

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Post by girvo »

ageyfman wrote: post #22
advisedwang wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This article and the one it is responding to are explicitly talking about non-business meeting contexts. They are talking about personal conversations, medical appointments and much more casual business contexts like informal interviews. Places where there would never have been a secretary present.

medical appointments is a perfect use case for ai note takers. Imagine you have an elderly parent who lives hundreds of miles away. You can't always be present for their medical appointments, yet, the outcomes of those appointments are critical, and sometimes information is shared in a way that the elderly parent cannot be a trustworthy source for that info. What do you do?

Except they straight up drop important clinical information. My partner has to go over it with a fine toothed comb and it saves her zero time.

Re: Re: I'm Begging You to Leave Your AI Note-Taker at Home

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Post by panzagl »

munk-a wrote: post #14
calvinmorrison wrote: post #2

> How fucking creepy is that?! How fucking awkward is that? And before you start talking with whoever you're catching up with, you ask "You don't mind, do you?" In living memory, I had a HUMAN notetaker in important meetings. After secretaries left the world went to hell and topic experts and engineers were expected to have social graces, everything got worse. We invented new religions like agile to make up for a goo…

This particular article concerns an AI notetaker being used in the context of healthcare - there is a well founded reason that health information is so stringently controlled which is to enable patient comfort at sharing potentially embarrassing or uncomfortable details. If you're receiving PT there is a large potential to feel shame over an inability to do things that were previously trivial[1]. Once upon a time the…

There's no reason an AI notetaker couldn't be certified to handle HIPAA and PII data.

Re: Re: I'm Begging You to Leave Your AI Note-Taker at Home

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Post by rtkwe »

saaaaaam wrote: post #3

> Let's imagine for a second that the whole AI craze doesn't exist, but you still would want to real-time note-taker, what would you do? Indeed, you bring a literal third person to the table. That will just be sitting there, listening in on your conversation and writing everything down. That's what secretaries were, and this happened in pretty much every significant business meeting for a long long time.

The difference being they were directly paid by the people involved and their notes weren't whisked off to outside companies with very loose privacy policies around your inputs.
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