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China sentences official to death for taking $325M in bribes

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post #204

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Xi's been anticorruption for 10+ years, CCDI has prosecuted MILLIONs, including his own faction/clique i.e. even Xi doesn't have that much enemies. Westoids just can't fathom it's simply a systematic, competent drain the swamp program designed to change culture an work through the huge backlog of illict behavior form 30+ years of under regulated development.

It's a systematic, competent purge the political rivals program.

Can't it be both? Xi doesn't have 7m+ rivals, and you know... rivals can be corrupt and should be purged. There's reason wikileaks / CIA analysis on Xi insinuates he's incorruptible by $$$, so who better to lead. Sometimes swamp is filthy and needs cleaning, and sweeping out legacy clique/faction level power structure that CCP had to "put up with" as part of ascendancy, aka power consolidation, is just good 101 good old power politics. Doing it right is how China gets 300+ year stable/rising dynamitic cycles. American wanks about 250 while swamp filthier than ever, and forget power consolidation has built many 250+ year civilizations.

Sometimes systemic, competent purge the political rivals program is gud and what you want. But IMO US too young/stubborn, doesn't have institutional memory of REAL political crisis, nor humility to learn from history.

Re: China sentences official to death for taking $325M in bribes

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How else do you propose a system that is fucked like that ever gets unfucked?

You start with one party - doesn't matter which - getting in power, and then prosecuting corruption on both sides , not just on the other side.

> You start with one party - doesn't matter which - getting in power, and then prosecuting corruption on both sides, not just on the other side.

The day this happens is the day that 90% (or more) of our "leaders" find themselves suddenly in prison.

Re: China sentences official to death for taking $325M in bribes

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The antifreeze toothpaste people didn’t get away with it, nor did the 3000 pigs in the river people, and nor did that one group of executives who were in charge of a fertilizer/chemical plant that was one of the largest industrial catastrophes in the world let alone China. If you get caught in China, Vietnam, or Singapore the penalties for white collar criminals is zero tolerance. You can’t buy your way out if you do…

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Re: China sentences official to death for taking $325M in bribes

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post #115

The antifreeze toothpaste people didn’t get away with it, nor did the 3000 pigs in the river people, and nor did that one group of executives who were in charge of a fertilizer/chemical plant that was one of the largest industrial catastrophes in the world let alone China. If you get caught in China, Vietnam, or Singapore the penalties for white collar criminals is zero tolerance. You can’t buy your way out if you do…

> penalties for white collar criminals is zero tolerance

I think this is more about punishing political grafting than white-collar crime.

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I sometimes see people "celebrate" this, with the rationale that China is cracking down on white-collar crimes and handing out sentences unheard of in the west. But, are these sort of things just examples of selective prosecution? Would the inner circle members of CCP leadership realistically face the same prosecution and sentencing, if they were to be caught doing the same?

Xi has shown repeatedly that he’s serious about corruption. As others have noted, some of the highest civilian and military officials have been removed for it. Some sentenced to death. He sees it as a challenge to his legitimacy and China’s power, which, as you’d expect are the most important things to him; even if you take the most cynical view. Another timely example, because it is the World Cup, is the Chinese foo…

> Xi has shown repeatedly that he’s serious about corruption

Xi is also fantastically corrupt. He wasn’t born a billionaire.

Re: China sentences official to death for taking $325M in bribes

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>He sees it as a challenge to his legitimacy and China’s power This right here is why “corruption” should be looked on with great skepticism. In an authoritarian government basic liberties we take for granted in the West are considered corruption. You know, like having a say in how people are governed. This is a high crime in a state with 1 party that cannot be replaced. In that way, “corruption” can mean “not being…

>> basic liberties we take for granted in the West are considered corruption Like insider trading by congress? Jokes aside, this is not how dictatorships normally deal with democratic activists? I don’t see how you can come to this conclusion u less you believe that corporations are people, election spending is a form of legally protected free speech, and corporations should vote in elections: https://www.reuters.com…

> Like insider trading by congress?

No. Like Kushner and Witkoff and Trump (and probably Hunter Biden) literally peddling influence for money.

Re: China sentences official to death for taking $325M in bribes

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Main difference between death penalty in US and China, is in US police officers easily sentence subjects to death and the courts do it with great difficulty. In China the inverse. For instance, high level executive Bryan Malinowski was executed by the ATF and barely anyone noticed, but if the courts had sentenced him in such way, there would be great outrage.

> executed

He was shot after opening fire, unprovoked, on federal agents performing a search of his home under a lawfully obtained warrant.

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