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China sentences official to death for taking $325M in bribes

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Post by maxfurman »

Sammi wrote: post #138
tyre wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Xi has shown repeatedly that he’s serious about corruption. As others have noted, some of the highest civilian and military officials have been removed for it. Some sentenced to death. He sees it as a challenge to his legitimacy and China’s power, which, as you’d expect are the most important things to him; even if you take the most cynical view. Another timely example, because it is the World Cup, is the Chinese foo…

It's like you're so close to getting it. Xi is serious about "corruption" alright. It's just that in an authoritarian state "corruption" is really just used as a euphemism for illoyality.

How can a soccer player be loyal or illoyal to Xi?

Re: China sentences official to death for taking $325M in bribes

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Post by Aeolun »

TrackerFF wrote: post #8

I sometimes see people "celebrate" this, with the rationale that China is cracking down on white-collar crimes and handing out sentences unheard of in the west. But, are these sort of things just examples of selective prosecution? Would the inner circle members of CCP leadership realistically face the same prosecution and sentencing, if they were to be caught doing the same?

> are these sort of things just examples of selective prosecution

Maybe, but they hit the rich. All the selective prosecution in the US hits those least able to resist.

Re: China sentences official to death for taking $325M in bribes

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Post by dirck-norman »

lyu07282 wrote: post #106
dirck-norman wrote: post #84

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Correct, so long as there is a state controlled media and no independent media and we can only speculate on where people who have “disappeared” from public view are, this is exactly the position everyone should hold. This is single party autocracy, no matter how much people cry about propaganda.

It's a complex system of layers of representatives being elected on the local level, various institutions and levels of governance that you know literally nothing about and yet has been incredibly successful at uplifting it's people. In the simple mind of the western chauvinist this rich five thousand year old culture and complex society with good and bad, gets flattened into antagonistic slogans like "single party a…

Ah yes, the old - it’s too complex to understand by outsiders argument. And claims of racism to boot.

Taiwan is Chinese, they don’t have this system. So spare me the crocodile tears.

Single party rule and state controlled media with one of the most sophisticated censorship infrastructure in the world has exactly one simple goal.

Re: China sentences official to death for taking $325M in bribes

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Post by dzonga »

does punishing corruption with a death sentence - look excessive ? Yes!

is it prone to abuse by those who yield power - Yes!

however - the alternative - where corruption goes unchecked is even worse!! if you come from a poor country e.g in Africa - you would've experienced the effects of corruption.

American are now experiencing it now - & the country is already worse off. though before corruption in American was used as an incentive mechanism - now it's just pure grift.

so yeah sentencing one or two people to death explicitly is the humane outcome vs sentencing thousands to death implicitly.

Re: China sentences official to death for taking $325M in bribes

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Post by [deleted] »

TrackerFF wrote: post #8

I sometimes see people "celebrate" this, with the rationale that China is cracking down on white-collar crimes and handing out sentences unheard of in the west. But, are these sort of things just examples of selective prosecution? Would the inner circle members of CCP leadership realistically face the same prosecution and sentencing, if they were to be caught doing the same?

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Re: China sentences official to death for taking $325M in bribes

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Post by nekusar »

paytonjjones wrote: post #116
nonethewiser wrote: post #91

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>He sees it as a challenge to his legitimacy and China’s power This right here is why “corruption” should be looked on with great skepticism. In an authoritarian government basic liberties we take for granted in the West are considered corruption. You know, like having a say in how people are governed. This is a high crime in a state with 1 party that cannot be replaced. In that way, “corruption” can mean “not being…

That may well be true, but that hardly applies to the current case of taking $325M in bribes

US folks will contort to the extremes about any discussion of gross illegal conduct in China.

This guy took $325M in bribes, embezzlement, abuse of power, and money laundering. And he did this as a public servant for over 30 years.

I say good on China for attacking such brazen corruption so directly. Violating the public trust should be extremely harsh.

Re: China sentences official to death for taking $325M in bribes

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Post by carabiner »

Natfan wrote: post #131
carabiner wrote: post #100

The US is very good if you're very rich. It's bad for everyone else. China appears to be somewhat bad or critical of the superrich, which is why they want to come to the US, but good if you're middle class or poor.

please elaborate on how the US is very good for those who are extremely poor? social safety net?

You're right. It's only good for the superrich.

Re: China sentences official to death for taking $325M in bribes

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Post by [deleted] »

haunter wrote: post #97
tyre wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Xi has shown repeatedly that he’s serious about corruption. As others have noted, some of the highest civilian and military officials have been removed for it. Some sentenced to death. He sees it as a challenge to his legitimacy and China’s power, which, as you’d expect are the most important things to him; even if you take the most cynical view. Another timely example, because it is the World Cup, is the Chinese foo…

tbh my take as someone who follows sports heavily: China is just not good at team sports. If we consider the most relevant ones (part of the Olympics games): - volleyball. Probably their best team sport. Men's team have nothing to show but the women's team won the competition 3 times (1984, 2004, 2016) and the World Cup twice (1982, 1986) - basketball. Women's team are usually there at the Olympic games and they won…

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Re: China sentences official to death for taking $325M in bribes

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Post by vkou »

nonethewiser wrote: post #91
tyre wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Xi has shown repeatedly that he’s serious about corruption. As others have noted, some of the highest civilian and military officials have been removed for it. Some sentenced to death. He sees it as a challenge to his legitimacy and China’s power, which, as you’d expect are the most important things to him; even if you take the most cynical view. Another timely example, because it is the World Cup, is the Chinese foo…

>He sees it as a challenge to his legitimacy and China’s power This right here is why “corruption” should be looked on with great skepticism. In an authoritarian government basic liberties we take for granted in the West are considered corruption. You know, like having a say in how people are governed. This is a high crime in a state with 1 party that cannot be replaced. In that way, “corruption” can mean “not being…

> In an authoritarian government basic liberties we take for granted in the West are considered corruption

Could you list some of those basic liberties? Are they the sort of liberties whose exercise involves taking half a billion in bribes?

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Generally, basic liberties like showing up to a protest aren't considered corruption, they get called terrorism, or somesuch. A Texas judge just sentenced a dozen people to 30-70 years in prison for exercising them, by the way. Some of the people given 30 weren't even at the protest. Half this forum looked at that, and saw nothing wrong with it. I can only imagine that if they were born on the other side of the Pacific ocean, they would be card-carrying party members.

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