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The family keeping watch over a 52-year-old pot of soup

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Re: The family keeping watch over a 52-year-old pot of soup

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I've gone without a fridge for 8 years now and do something kind of like this usually - I'll cook a pot of food and then steam or boil it again after ~24 hours to reset the clock on it rotting. It's handy for things like eating a whole chicken or other large soup. I switch between being home and on the road a lot so my pot just comes with me and can be re-cooked on my car stove or my home stove. I tend to cook or re-…

The bacteria is still there, its just dead. Along with all of its waste. Leaving soup at room temperature over night is crazy. Its usually the biggest food borne illness vector in restaurants so they usually boil then move straight to cooling.

Ive learned leaving soup out and reboiling is fairly common in some cultures which is unfortunate. Bacteria rapidly multiplies at room temperature around the world (well, maybe not antarctica).

Re: The family keeping watch over a 52-year-old pot of soup

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Cool. The pot is surprisingly small. Is the sauce in it highly concentrated or something?

Yes, 滷肉 ("braised meat") is highly concentrated. You can't eat the sauce by itself like a stew, it would be too rich. So it's usually served on white rice or in this case noodles. The ingredients are typically finely minced fatty pork with soy sauce and strong flavorings like dried mushroom, garlic, star anise, and a fermented bean sauce that's super salty. Plus other ingredients that make the taste unique to the che…

By the way, if you haven't tried 滷肉飯 (lǔròu fàn, or braised pork with rice), you should. You can't walk more than a block in Taipei without finding it, but I've seen it only once in the US.

Re: The family keeping watch over a 52-year-old pot of soup

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cool. The pot is surprisingly small. Is the sauce in it highly concentrated or something?

Yes, 滷肉 ("braised meat") is highly concentrated. You can't eat the sauce by itself like a stew, it would be too rich. So it's usually served on white rice or in this case noodles. The ingredients are typically finely minced fatty pork with soy sauce and strong flavorings like dried mushroom, garlic, star anise, and a fermented bean sauce that's super salty. Plus other ingredients that make the taste unique to the che…

... and now I'm hungry. I'd love to try this.

Re: The family keeping watch over a 52-year-old pot of soup

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I've gone without a fridge for 8 years now and do something kind of like this usually - I'll cook a pot of food and then steam or boil it again after ~24 hours to reset the clock on it rotting. It's handy for things like eating a whole chicken or other large soup. I switch between being home and on the road a lot so my pot just comes with me and can be re-cooked on my car stove or my home stove. I tend to cook or re-…

The bacteria is still there, its just dead. Along with all of its waste. Leaving soup at room temperature over night is crazy. Its usually the biggest food borne illness vector in restaurants so they usually boil then move straight to cooling. Ive learned leaving soup out and reboiling is fairly common in some cultures which is unfortunate. Bacteria rapidly multiplies at room temperature around the world (well, maybe…

You'd be amazed at just how much tolerance human guts can develop for this kind of thing. I recall reading about a hunter-gatherer tribe the discoverer ran across just going to town on horribly rotten carrion. The more rotten the better.

Re: The family keeping watch over a 52-year-old pot of soup

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I've gone without a fridge for 8 years now and do something kind of like this usually - I'll cook a pot of food and then steam or boil it again after ~24 hours to reset the clock on it rotting. It's handy for things like eating a whole chicken or other large soup. I switch between being home and on the road a lot so my pot just comes with me and can be re-cooked on my car stove or my home stove. I tend to cook or re-…

The bacteria is still there, its just dead. Along with all of its waste. Leaving soup at room temperature over night is crazy. Its usually the biggest food borne illness vector in restaurants so they usually boil then move straight to cooling. Ive learned leaving soup out and reboiling is fairly common in some cultures which is unfortunate. Bacteria rapidly multiplies at room temperature around the world (well, maybe…

> Leaving soup at room temperature over night is crazy.

And yet, this was common before the electric fridge. I've lived without a fridge for years and the amount of food I ate after being left out overnight would give americans a stroke.

Re: The family keeping watch over a 52-year-old pot of soup

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, 滷肉 ("braised meat") is highly concentrated. You can't eat the sauce by itself like a stew, it would be too rich. So it's usually served on white rice or in this case noodles. The ingredients are typically finely minced fatty pork with soy sauce and strong flavorings like dried mushroom, garlic, star anise, and a fermented bean sauce that's super salty. Plus other ingredients that make the taste unique to the che…

By the way, if you haven't tried 滷肉飯 (lǔròu fàn, or braised pork with rice), you should. You can't walk more than a block in Taipei without finding it, but I've seen it only once in the US.

You need to come to NYC. They are quite common.

Re: The family keeping watch over a 52-year-old pot of soup

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The bacteria is still there, its just dead. Along with all of its waste. Leaving soup at room temperature over night is crazy. Its usually the biggest food borne illness vector in restaurants so they usually boil then move straight to cooling. Ive learned leaving soup out and reboiling is fairly common in some cultures which is unfortunate. Bacteria rapidly multiplies at room temperature around the world (well, maybe…

You'd be amazed at just how much tolerance human guts can develop for this kind of thing. I recall reading about a hunter-gatherer tribe the discoverer ran across just going to town on horribly rotten carrion. The more rotten the better.

If your gut is adjusted it can work, sure, but there is still latent risk -- your body is fighting for your survival constantly.

If your immune system becomes suppressed or you become injured, then you're skating on very thin ice.

We've known this for a very long time. There's a reason refrigerators are popular.

Re: The family keeping watch over a 52-year-old pot of soup

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I think there is an optimization question buried here. In tech lots of people have experience with A/B tests, which function on the assumption that you have a stream of fresh sessions which are independent. Multi-armed bandits, Thompson sampling etc give us frameworks for generalizing this towards finding the best option among a finite set of candidates, if goodness is fixed over time. This is kinda the opposite end…

I see no reason to believe the quality could be improved over a more normal cook period. Even super long boils like tonkotsu can be achieved by other means (pressure). IMO its more of a gimmick and frankly kinda gross.

I mean, I don't want to eat it either. But the point of generalizing the optimization framework is that it applies to other situations with the same shape.

Maybe related questions:

- if you have the resources to run just one online learning model, but can't stash/restore state to just continue a prior model where you left off, how do you find the best online-learned model?

- you have space in your garden for only one large fruit tree. You have an heirloom apple tree currently and it produces decent but not amazing fruit. How do you choose whether to replace with something else, given that a replacement may take years to develop the root system needed to be really productive?

- (more loosely) you're in career track X and have advanced over years, the work is ok but could be better. How should you decide whether to retrain as something different?

Re: The family keeping watch over a 52-year-old pot of soup

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, 滷肉 ("braised meat") is highly concentrated. You can't eat the sauce by itself like a stew, it would be too rich. So it's usually served on white rice or in this case noodles. The ingredients are typically finely minced fatty pork with soy sauce and strong flavorings like dried mushroom, garlic, star anise, and a fermented bean sauce that's super salty. Plus other ingredients that make the taste unique to the che…

By the way, if you haven't tried 滷肉飯 (lǔròu fàn, or braised pork with rice), you should. You can't walk more than a block in Taipei without finding it, but I've seen it only once in the US.

You will find restaurants with it in LA, SF, and NY for sure. In SF there is an award winning restaurant named Lu Rou Fan, which should give you an idea of the food they serve.

I imagine any region with a large Taiwanese or Chinese population will have a restaurant that serves it (or the chinese version gai fan).

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