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Re: Chat Control 1.0 and 2.0 Explained

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Post by rpadovani » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 6:40 PM UTC

joe_mamba wrote: post #7

embedding-shape wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> EU politicians spend more time on chat control than on the reopening of Hormuz I thought I'd heard it all here on HN, but expecting EU to clean up after the US shooting itself in the foot with a completely unnecessary war probably comes somewhere in top 5 easily.

>but expecting EU to clean up after the US shooting itself in the foot Please don't pretend to misunderstand a point just to manufacture the opportunity to reply in bad faith. Nobody in EU is saying the EU should clean up others' mess around the world, people are just saying the EU should be busy building domestic capacity and capabilities to insulate itself from the issues caused by others around the world, such as…

> Nobody in EU is saying the EU should clean up others' mess around the world

That's literally what the top poster said.

Your points make sense, "EU should reopen Hormuz" is laughable

Re: Chat Control 1.0 and 2.0 Explained

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Post by Insimwytim » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 6:45 PM UTC

cynicalsecurity wrote: post #8

To everyone who wants to dismantle the EU: this is not the solution. Dismantling the EU is like burning down your own house just to get rid of flies. The UK left the EU and implemented its own version of chat control - Online Safety Act - without any transparency or real opposition. The right solution is the political fight. Europe is our home. We must keep it in good shape by getting rid of anything that makes it wo…

  Dismantling the EU is like burning down your own house

I'm not an expert, but isn't "your own house" should rather be your country in this analogy? It ought to be still there without some bureaucratic institution on top of it.

Re: Chat Control 1.0 and 2.0 Explained

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Post by hsuduebc2 » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 6:45 PM UTC

cynicalsecurity wrote: post #8

To everyone who wants to dismantle the EU: this is not the solution. Dismantling the EU is like burning down your own house just to get rid of flies. The UK left the EU and implemented its own version of chat control - Online Safety Act - without any transparency or real opposition. The right solution is the political fight. Europe is our home. We must keep it in good shape by getting rid of anything that makes it wo…

Exactly. This is ridiculous behavior. Simple solutions for complex problems are usually the wrong ones.

One griefer which promised prosperit fueled Brexit, which caused Britain visible stagnation and now he is a candidate for MP promising to fixing it all yet again.

I need to repeat, that Simple solutions for complex problems usually do not work.

Re: Chat Control 1.0 and 2.0 Explained

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Post by joe_mamba » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 6:47 PM UTC

cynicalsecurity wrote: post #8

To everyone who wants to dismantle the EU: this is not the solution. Dismantling the EU is like burning down your own house just to get rid of flies. The UK left the EU and implemented its own version of chat control - Online Safety Act - without any transparency or real opposition. The right solution is the political fight. Europe is our home. We must keep it in good shape by getting rid of anything that makes it wo…

>Dismantling the EU is like burning down your own house just to get rid of flies.

I don't like this comparison at all. Europe, the land that housed, fed and scarified my ancestors, is my house, not this supra-governmental corrupt bureaucratic institution called the EU that does not represent me nor speak in my name.

Empires, monarchies, governments and all such man-made institutions like the EU get torn down all time, when they become too bloated, incompetent, corrupt and cronyistic and lose legitimacy in the eyes of the people. See all human history.

Forests go through prescribed burns in order to be saved, for their own good, and so must political institutions. And when the rot is too big, it can't simply be "patched" anymore, it needs to be torn down and rebuilt from scratch with fresh new people, which in turn will get corrupted over time and get torn down, and so on, rinse and repeat because that's human nature.

Ironically, the EU has achieved its goal of uniting all Europeans, as in they're all now united via hating what the EU has become and what it's doing.

Re: Chat Control 1.0 and 2.0 Explained

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Post by petre » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 6:47 PM UTC

joe_mamba wrote: post #7

embedding-shape wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> EU politicians spend more time on chat control than on the reopening of Hormuz I thought I'd heard it all here on HN, but expecting EU to clean up after the US shooting itself in the foot with a completely unnecessary war probably comes somewhere in top 5 easily.

>but expecting EU to clean up after the US shooting itself in the foot Please don't pretend to misunderstand a point just to manufacture the opportunity to reply in bad faith. Nobody in EU is saying the EU should clean up others' mess around the world, people are just saying the EU should be busy building domestic capacity and capabilities to insulate itself from the issues caused by others around the world, such as…

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Re: Chat Control 1.0 and 2.0 Explained

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 6:48 PM UTC

Insimwytim wrote: post #12

cynicalsecurity wrote: post #8

To everyone who wants to dismantle the EU: this is not the solution. Dismantling the EU is like burning down your own house just to get rid of flies. The UK left the EU and implemented its own version of chat control - Online Safety Act - without any transparency or real opposition. The right solution is the political fight. Europe is our home. We must keep it in good shape by getting rid of anything that makes it wo…

Dismantling the EU is like burning down your own house I'm not an expert, but isn't "your own house" should rather be your country in this analogy? It ought to be still there without some bureaucratic institution on top of it.

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Re: Chat Control 1.0 and 2.0 Explained

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Post by inglor_cz » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 6:49 PM UTC

rwq-askh wrote: post #5

EU politicians spend more time on chat control than on the reopening of Hormuz or EU energy security. It is a complete joke.

They do have us in their power. They don't have Iran under the same power.

Re: Chat Control 1.0 and 2.0 Explained

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Post by patcon » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 6:51 PM UTC

Insimwytim wrote: post #12

cynicalsecurity wrote: post #8

To everyone who wants to dismantle the EU: this is not the solution. Dismantling the EU is like burning down your own house just to get rid of flies. The UK left the EU and implemented its own version of chat control - Online Safety Act - without any transparency or real opposition. The right solution is the political fight. Europe is our home. We must keep it in good shape by getting rid of anything that makes it wo…

Dismantling the EU is like burning down your own house I'm not an expert, but isn't "your own house" should rather be your country in this analogy? It ought to be still there without some bureaucratic institution on top of it.

Just think "neighborhood", no? This seems like splitting hairs... And to what end? to take a shot at EU supra-national structure? ("What, you don't ally to your country?" kinda shade.)

-- Canadian

Re: Chat Control 1.0 and 2.0 Explained

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Post by Grikbdl » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 6:59 PM UTC

petre wrote: post #15

joe_mamba wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>but expecting EU to clean up after the US shooting itself in the foot Please don't pretend to misunderstand a point just to manufacture the opportunity to reply in bad faith. Nobody in EU is saying the EU should clean up others' mess around the world, people are just saying the EU should be busy building domestic capacity and capabilities to insulate itself from the issues caused by others around the world, such as…

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> go away USA you're not using our bases to refuel

Tbf this is only the position of a few extreme governments. Other European countries have been perfectly happy to let the US use their bases for this.

Re: Chat Control 1.0 and 2.0 Explained

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Post by hsuduebc2 » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 7:03 PM UTC

Insimwytim wrote: post #12

cynicalsecurity wrote: post #8

To everyone who wants to dismantle the EU: this is not the solution. Dismantling the EU is like burning down your own house just to get rid of flies. The UK left the EU and implemented its own version of chat control - Online Safety Act - without any transparency or real opposition. The right solution is the political fight. Europe is our home. We must keep it in good shape by getting rid of anything that makes it wo…

Dismantling the EU is like burning down your own house I'm not an expert, but isn't "your own house" should rather be your country in this analogy? It ought to be still there without some bureaucratic institution on top of it.

Maybe “your own city” would be a more precise metaphor than “your own house”. Your country is your house, but the EU is the city around it, with the roads, infrastructure, shared rules, market, security, and institutions that make the house function.

The concept of a modern nation is also relatively new. It emerged as an identity for groups of people who were no longer defined mainly by the monarchs ruling over them. That identity replaced the king as the symbol of belonging.

But now nationalism is often doing the opposite. Instead of freeing people from old power structures, it is holding Europe back.

So yes, maybe it is not literally “your house”, but the point still stands. Burning down the city around your house is not exactly a smart move either.