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Re: Europe's company websites are mostly served by US vendors

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Post by whilenot-dev »

carlosjobim wrote: post #144
whilenot-dev wrote: post #131

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> But in reality a big enough proportion of Europeans see the EU as a hostile foreign influencing force. Yeah, I have to doubt your perceived reality here. Can you name some of these "hostile foreign influences"? The big competitor to Apple is Google, whereas the big competitor to Microsoft is Linux/FOSS IMHO. I'm sorry to be blunt, but in the current political climate I couldn't care less what any Americans are usin…

> Can you name some of these "hostile foreign influences"? The name is the European Union. It is the foreign entity to Europeans. If you doubt that there is a big portion of Europeans who aren't pro-EU, then I guess you doubt that there are Americans who aren't pro-Trump? Anyway, there were referendums in many countries on the subject of joining the EU, and you can look at those and see that not 100% of the populatio…

> not 100% of the population voted yes.

Well, call me surprised! Which democratic election ever achieves a one-sided 100%?

Still, the majority of the EU population seems to in favor of the EU, whereas the majority of the US citizens are pro-Trump, or they were during the last election at least. So I don't really understand what you're arguing for here.

Re: Europe's company websites are mostly served by US vendors

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Post by cromka »

mike97 wrote: post #99
earthnail wrote: post #83

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AWS / GCP can invoice with EU reverse charge so I don’t even pay VAT. With Hetzner I have to claim it back at the end of the year. Hetzner is just way cheaper and pricing is more predictable. I don’t need any advanced cloud offerings. And yes, being outside the US is another advantage rn.

> AWS / GCP can invoice with EU reverse charge so I don’t even pay VAT. With Hetzner I have to claim it back at the end of the year. Hetzner can do the same as long as you have a valid VAT code.

You mean EU-Vat. And if don't have your business registered in Germany.

Re: Europe's company websites are mostly served by US vendors

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Post by mongol »

InTheArena wrote: post #123
650REDHAIR wrote: post #114

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I don’t remember the last time China threatened to invade Denmark? I do remember the last time the USA did. It was hours ago at a NATO summit.

s/China/Taiwan? or Tibet? You are comparing sensational trolls with actual geopolitical history.

Trolling or not, we take it seriously when the US threatens our territorial sovereignity (speaking as a European 100 percent behind Denmark)

Re: Europe's company websites are mostly served by US vendors

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Post by embedding-shape »

mrtksn wrote: post #78
embedding-shape wrote: post #68

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So is the US easier than the EU or not? Now you're saying Sweden is a "success story", does that mean it's easier than the US then? > god knows what complications it creates across EU borders you can just create a company for pretty cheap in US What? That doesn't make any sense. If I'm a Swedish resident, and I want to sell to Danes, then in no way is it easier for me to start a US company (?!) then sell to Denmark f…

Sweden is a success story by European standards but meh by US standards. > If I'm a Swedish resident, and I want to sell to Danes, then in no way is it easier for me to start a US company (?!) then sell to Denmark from outside the EU Starting a US company from EU costs a few hundred dollars depending on the broker etc. and indeed you may find it much more useful depending on how you do business(who you employ, what y…

> Starting a US company from EU costs a few hundred dollars depending on the broker etc

And in Sweden it's free, if that somehow would stop anyone anyways.

> and indeed you may find it much more useful depending on how you do business(who you employ, what you sell and where are your clients

Agreed, if you have US clients, US customers and generally like the vibe of the US, then makes a lot of sense to incorporate in the US. For basically anything else, it doesn't.

> This is because EU single market isn't that single at all, you will need to figure out pensions, social contributions taxes etc across the EU borders for example

You misunderstand what "EU single market" is referring to if you think it's supposed to mean pensions and similar stuff is shared across the entire EU. Of course it isn't, and no one of us who actually live and work here have that fundamental misunderstanding you seem to have.

> example but if you incorporate in US, life becomes much more easier as there are already many services geared to fascinate the trade between EU and US

Your arguments here make zero sense. Say I'm a Swedish resident, open up a company in Sweden and hire a Finn, now I need to ensure this employment is fully legal. Same goes if the company is in the US, and in fact, would add additional things to do, as suddenly it's not only within EU and EEA, but the legal entity is outside.

> but then why not Europeans start company in Sweden instead of dealing with Germany for example?

I don't know why you would? EU and Europe isn't like the US in that it's many states under one country, we're all different countries with our own laws and so on, there is no "EU-law" or whatever, it's just an umbrella for us to unite under. Why on earth would an German start a company in Greece, if there is nothing particular about Greece in their business? The question doesn't even make sense.

> Why Sweden isn't Europe's Delaware and EU is trying to create 28th regime and the EU-inc then?

Ireland and Malta are the "Delaware of Europe" which are popular to incorporate, but generally, I think people prefer to own businesses in countries where they already live, incorporating on the other side of the continent just doesn't make sense.

Re: Europe's company websites are mostly served by US vendors

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Post by betaby »

Bender wrote: post #130
itsamario wrote: post #119

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The anycast is for the /24 those IP addresses share (first.three.octects.0/24) But if you look those /24 are Arin. Dig +trace shows the recursive lookup (forwarders) used for your NS. They almost always end up Arin and arpa. I've troubleshot some connection issues between different data centers and transit providers and found root hint oddities I just escalate to my supervisor

That part makes sense to me. If one has ever tried to announce an ARIN IP in the EU or a RIPE IP in the US they will send warnings that the allocations will be pulled back if that is not fixed. Been there, done that. The root servers were created in the US. To have RIPE IP addresses I would imagine would require ARIN to set up some partnership but there again that gets into management and politics in their organizati…

> If one has ever tried to announce an ARIN IP in the EU or a RIPE IP in the US they will send warnings that the allocations will be pulled back if that is not fixed.

Who are "they" in this case?

Re: Europe's company websites are mostly served by US vendors

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Post by 0cf8612b2e1e »

input_sh wrote: post #111
tonyhart7 wrote: post #107

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what Europe option anyway ???? other than US another power that can fill up the space is China or are european saying china is better than US ????

Well for one thing, China wasn't adamant about annexing territory belonging to a European nation like half a year ago.

Renewed calls just today! Give us Greenland or we pull out of Europe entirely.

Re: Europe's company websites are mostly served by US vendors

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Post by embedding-shape »

khurs wrote: post #126
embedding-shape wrote: post #117

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Almost only Americans use Amex though, unless you exclusively target the US market, you can skip it and basically not miss out on a single customer.

In UK Amex are relatively big. They do cards with airlines where the customer can earn free flights and other such reward schemes to attract customers.

Interesting, has that changed lately? I remember sitting in a pub talking with a bunch of software engineers living and working in London, maybe 15 years ago, and we were joking about how weird it was that the American tourist tried to pay with American Express, and neither of us had seen an actual American Express card in person before that. Maybe is different nowadays, or maybe we were just in a tiny pub?

Re: Europe's company websites are mostly served by US vendors

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Post by betaby »

embedding-shape wrote: post #16
rmoriz wrote: post #4

Mail (SMTP) is even worse.

Here in Spain it seems better. We don't have tons of alternatives for web services, so lots end up on the typical clouds, but email hosting it seems every region has at least one ajuntament that runs their very own email servers. Helps that the country politically and socially is a bit decentralized since the beginning of the republic, but I was (pleasantly) surprised how many local governments here actually manage t…

Interesting fact. Is there a list of local government mx servers?

Re: Europe's company websites are mostly served by US vendors

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Post by palata »

villish wrote: post #55
palata wrote: post #24

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> If anything "EU Tech Sovereignty" is a net negative for me. Is it? If you live in the EU, the fact that pretty much all companies completely depend on US tech to work means that the US can not only spy on them (if Airbus uses Microsoft Teams, then the US government can ask Microsoft to give them access to the data and use that to help Boeing win contracts for instance), but also put pressure on those companies by b…

The default stance should be that nothing you do is private on the internet. If we're talking spying then no service in any country will be secure unless fully encrypted with audits. Any country with an intelligence agency can force companies in their jurisdiction to give them access to data otherwise.

Not sure what you are trying to say, except that it confirms my point: if a company in say, Germany, uses Microsoft and Google services for all their communications, then the US (!) can just get access to all their data.

Now if that company was using services based in Germany, then only Germany could access that data, which is obviously much less of a sovereignty problem (Germany interfering with Germany's affair is just a normal government).

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