Automating AI Away

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Post by gritzko » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 3:11 PM UTC

Automating AI Away
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Re: Automating AI Away

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Post by lubujackson » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 5:29 PM UTC

Makes sense, I have had the biggest wins with AI by attacking nondeterminism whenever possible.

BTW, you should probably fix the Beagle link on your homepage: https://replicated.live/beagle/

Re: Automating AI Away

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 5:35 PM UTC

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Re: Automating AI Away

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Post by stego-tech » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 5:44 PM UTC

Basically what I’ve been saying since OldJob forced LLMs down our throats and pegging performance to usage metrics: why the fuck are we handing deterministic processes to probabilistic systems when it should be the other way around (using probabilistic systems to design deterministic ones)?

LLMS should be abstracted out of a process as soon as practicable, replaced with deterministic processes or procedures. Otherwise you’ve built the world’s most fragile process at the mercy of token cost, vendor hostility, geopolitics, and model deprecation.

Re: Automating AI Away

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Post by hadi121 » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 6:01 PM UTC

stego-tech wrote: post #4

Basically what I’ve been saying since OldJob forced LLMs down our throats and pegging performance to usage metrics: why the fuck are we handing deterministic processes to probabilistic systems when it should be the other way around (using probabilistic systems to design deterministic ones)? LLMS should be abstracted out of a process as soon as practicable, replaced with deterministic processes or procedures. Otherwis…

I love the way you put this. Are there any sites or forums or places where people discuss/hash this out?

I've genuinely never considered it from this angle before.

Re: Automating AI Away

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Post by derdi » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 6:03 PM UTC

This is a very interesting introduction to a blog post, but... I'm somehow missing the actual blog post. How does this stuff work in practice? What are some concrete examples? How does one get from JavaScript tokenizing things in a commit hook to validating that the LLM didn't disable tests it didn't agree with, or any other helpful property?

Re: Automating AI Away

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Post by derdi » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 6:05 PM UTC

hadi121 wrote: post #5

stego-tech wrote: post #4

Basically what I’ve been saying since OldJob forced LLMs down our throats and pegging performance to usage metrics: why the fuck are we handing deterministic processes to probabilistic systems when it should be the other way around (using probabilistic systems to design deterministic ones)? LLMS should be abstracted out of a process as soon as practicable, replaced with deterministic processes or procedures. Otherwis…

I love the way you put this. Are there any sites or forums or places where people discuss/hash this out? I've genuinely never considered it from this angle before.

Humans aren't deterministic. Determinism is a red herring. There are lots of other problems with agentic programming, but this is not at the top of the list.

Re: Automating AI Away

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Post by gritzko » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 6:07 PM UTC

derdi wrote: post #6

This is a very interesting introduction to a blog post, but... I'm somehow missing the actual blog post. How does this stuff work in practice? What are some concrete examples? How does one get from JavaScript tokenizing things in a commit hook to validating that the LLM didn't disable tests it didn't agree with, or any other helpful property?

I am the author. I am trying to limit one post to one page. Most people here are reading reasoning all day, I am afraid. Might get tired.

I also aspire to make one post a day. To be continued.

Re: Automating AI Away

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 6:09 PM UTC

derdi wrote: post #7

hadi121 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love the way you put this. Are there any sites or forums or places where people discuss/hash this out? I've genuinely never considered it from this angle before.

Humans aren't deterministic. Determinism is a red herring. There are lots of other problems with agentic programming, but this is not at the top of the list.

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Re: Automating AI Away

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Post by gritzko » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 6:21 PM UTC

lubujackson wrote: post #2

Makes sense, I have had the biggest wins with AI by attacking nondeterminism whenever possible. BTW, you should probably fix the Beagle link on your homepage: https://replicated.live/beagle/

Thanks, fixed. The runtime[1] and the scripts[2] are the practical ones. I am separating the old repo[3] into submodules since submodule recursion became smooth in Beagle.

[1]: https://github.com/gritzko/jab

[2]: https://github.com/gritzko/beagle-ext

[3]: https://github.com/gritzko/beagle