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Chat Control passed first round in EU Parliament

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Re: Chat Control passed first round in EU Parliament

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Post by procaryote »

raverbashing wrote: post #40
belowavgiq wrote: post #3

"The procedure now chosen gives the proponents of Chat Control a significant tactical advantage. Since the law is in its second reading, an absolute majority of 361 votes of all parliament members is required for amendments or a renewed rejection on Thursday. In contrast, a simple majority of the MEPs present is sufficient for the other side. As many parliamentarians have historically already departed by the last day…

1 - this is about Chat Control 1.0 2 - The vote was on the "Urgency requirement" > parliamentarians starting their summer break whenever they want will never not be funny Eh. This is the least problematic thing here. Some MEPs might just be on official PTO.

The voting dynamics changing beacause elected representatives can't plan their vacations like any regular work place is pretty silly

Re: Chat Control passed first round in EU Parliament

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belowavgiq wrote: post #3

"The procedure now chosen gives the proponents of Chat Control a significant tactical advantage. Since the law is in its second reading, an absolute majority of 361 votes of all parliament members is required for amendments or a renewed rejection on Thursday. In contrast, a simple majority of the MEPs present is sufficient for the other side. As many parliamentarians have historically already departed by the last day…

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Re: Chat Control passed first round in EU Parliament

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Post by Lio »

miroljub wrote: post #49
chrystalkey wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have apparently no idea what an actual dictatorship is

I suppose you know? Now go enlighten us on how the EU is super democratic and way better than the worst dictatorship that ever existed, so we may be happy we are not the worst.

> Now go enlighten us on how the EU is super democratic and way better than the worst dictatorship that ever existed, so we may be happy we are not the worst.

Well they're not rounding people because of their religion or sexuality and putting them in "retraining" camps yet. Or using "criminals" as enforced organ donors. I suppose there's that.

The EU is being a bit short-sighted and shit with regard to Chat Control but let's not loose perspective here.

Re: Chat Control passed first round in EU Parliament

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Post by cherryteastain »

Reminder that EU institutions were designed from ground up to smother democracy:

- Members of EU Parliament cannot propose regulation, only the unelected Commission can, MEPs can only vote yes/no

- EU Parliament is the only parliament in the world where an absolute 50%+1 is needed to reject a bill, ignoring how many MEPs are present/voting. In every other parliament, a quorum requirement plus a majority vote is needed to pass a bill.

Re: Chat Control passed first round in EU Parliament

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Post by jason1cho »

iamnothere wrote: post #24
73738384 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The European Comission is the top decision maker of the EU. The European citizen has zero (0) influence on the members or actions of the EC. No different than the politburo in China.

It is slightly different than China, China has implemented hotlines/apps for citizen complaints in response to social pressure, and it actually attempts to address those complaints.

While you can use the hotline in private, you can't object to any matter in public.

Re: Chat Control passed first round in EU Parliament

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Post by dsign »

asxndu wrote: post #87

Why are we so passive to the promotion of such scams? I keep telling people about such things and I am looked at as nerdy, geeky or boring. But this stupid reaction finally explains to me why human life for ordinary people will always largely be a life of suffering.

> I keep telling people about such things and I am looked at as nerdy, geeky or boring.

Hm, yeah, we have our work cut out for ourselves. Politicians can't do nerdy nor geeky, but it's their job to talk in a way that moves people. That's why we keep electing absolute idiots that can't even speak that well, all things considered, but who can "charm", for a given definition of charm of course. To be heard we need to remain nerdy and geeky at our core, but talk in a way that moves people.

In this concrete instance, what I do when somebody brings Chat Control to the conversation and other listeners start to roll eyes, is to derail the conversation with colorful yarns about how we did surveillance in the old days of the Soviet Union, and what we did with anybody who was rattled for giving a foul mouth to the Party. "Yes, we didn't have Siberia, but the heat and the savage ants in those sugar cane plantations were damn fine, and honestly you don't need any particular geography for a good old beating... Catching them dissidents was the hard thing, but it all would be so much easier these days... Hey, have you noticed how you talk about one thing and Facebook start popping ads about it almost at once? Does it listen to all our diatribes? I'm pretty sure that's the stuff Chat Control wants..."

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