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Re: Europe's company websites are mostly served by US vendors

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Post by whilenot-dev »

carlosjobim wrote: post #108
whilenot-dev wrote: post #47

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Well, where do you live? I live in an EU country and care deeply for the right to erasure and our consumer rights. The EU legislature does some good things on that front. I "care" for EU tech companies as much as I can care for any company currently. I think technological sovereignty is and will be important moving forward, for our economic resilience, infrastructure stability, among other things. BTW "EU nationalist…

Assuming that most Europeans would be loyal to the EU is like assuming that most US Americans are loyal to Donald Trump (or Biden). But in reality a big enough proportion of Europeans see the EU as a hostile foreign influencing force. Or, to put it another way, do you think any Americans use Microsoft or Apple products out of patriotism or fear of being dependent on technology from other nations?

> But in reality a big enough proportion of Europeans see the EU as a hostile foreign influencing force.

Yeah, I have to doubt your perceived reality here. Can you name some of these "hostile foreign influences"?

The big competitor to Apple is Google, whereas the big competitor to Microsoft is Linux/FOSS IMHO. I'm sorry to be blunt, but in the current political climate I couldn't care less what any Americans are using and for whatever reason. EU citizens on the other hand sure got a few reasons during the last decade due to foreign American politics.

Re: Europe's company websites are mostly served by US vendors

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Post by whilenot-dev »

techpression wrote: post #77
whilenot-dev wrote: post #47

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Well, where do you live? I live in an EU country and care deeply for the right to erasure and our consumer rights. The EU legislature does some good things on that front. I "care" for EU tech companies as much as I can care for any company currently. I think technological sovereignty is and will be important moving forward, for our economic resilience, infrastructure stability, among other things. BTW "EU nationalist…

Which is why we’re putting our entire digital identification infrastructure in the hands of Google and Apple. EU technological sovereignty is a kafkaesque affair, and that’s putting it mildly.

I concur, except about the "putting it mildly" part. The digital ID stuff feels kafkaesque, sure, but not more. It's good lobbying at play, and I'm sure we'll find a way moving forward.

Re: Europe's company websites are mostly served by US vendors

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Post by throwaway894345 »

koe123 wrote: post #106
throwaway894345 wrote: post #100

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> IMHO this mutual interdependence is actually a good thing. It stimulates maintaining peaceful relations and engaging in trade. We could use a little more of that. Isolationism didn't lead to anything good last century either. I think interdependence is a good thing, but I think the EU is _reliant_ on the US militarily and economically and that's ... not great particularly when the US leadership is openly hostile to…

As it pertains to military, just wait a few years I think.

While I applaud the strides the EU is taking to decouple militarily, it's still a long ways away from replacing the security umbrella provided by the US military. The EU doesn't even have a single command and control structure (although NATO provides a lot of interoperability between European militaries). It's no knock on Europe's efforts--it's just that the dependency on US military was almost a century in the making--it's not going to be undone overnight. But Europe is moving in the right direction--I just hope Europe stays the course and continues to take it seriously.

Re: Europe's company websites are mostly served by US vendors

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Post by throwaway894345 »

lyu07282 wrote: post #129
tonyhart7 wrote: post #107

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what Europe option anyway ???? other than US another power that can fill up the space is China or are european saying china is better than US ????

China is very successfully developing and competing with the US, so it is self evident that Europe should continue to do the exact opposite of everything that China is doing.

As an American, it helps that the US is actively self-sabotaging.

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Post by judge2020 »

nicce wrote: post #121
jillesvangurp wrote: post #92

A lot of these US vendors have data centers in the EU operating under EU law via legal entities in the EU. So, it's not all that black and white. And there are a growing amount of EU based alternatives. And just to make a counter point, there are also US dependencies on the EU for some things as well. Mobile infrastructure is a good example; mostly comes from Nokia and Ericsson. What was left of US based network equi…

> A lot of these US vendors have data centers in the EU operating under EU law via legal entities in the EU. Didn’t even Microsoft say that they can’t guarantee that they can follow these laws? Because the US laws take over. So, legal entities are just some smoke screen. They don’t help if the US government wants access to something.

I believe this was the Schrems 2 case from 2020 that declared that the EU US Privacy Shield was insufficient at guaranteeing the privacy of EU citizens due to the CLOUD act, which would require US companies work with the government to potentially spy on EU citizens.

I’m not sure what has happened since then or the legal status of this issue.

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Post by nullsanity »

InTheArena wrote: post #125
koe123 wrote: post #106

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As it pertains to military, just wait a few years I think.

The last three times that Europe had a large independent military force(s), things didn't end so well for the world. International commerce and business and shared democratic norms are a fscking good things. We have lost the people who learned that the hard way, and they are being replaced with people who have never read a history book.

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Re: Europe's company websites are mostly served by US vendors

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Post by 650REDHAIR »

InTheArena wrote: post #123
650REDHAIR wrote: post #114

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I don’t remember the last time China threatened to invade Denmark? I do remember the last time the USA did. It was hours ago at a NATO summit.

s/China/Taiwan? or Tibet? You are comparing sensational trolls with actual geopolitical history.

Are you suggesting Trump is “trolling” Greenland?

And admittedly I didn’t realize Taiwan was in Europe. Sorry.

Re: Europe's company websites are mostly served by US vendors

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Post by embedding-shape »

Schiendelman wrote: post #80
embedding-shape wrote: post #57

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> USA is/was easier to start business and get funding I think this would highly depend on the country. With a solid business plan, I could easily get funding via banks and literally start a company with the press of a button in web portal, in Sweden. Similarly, Estonia seems to have made it ridiculously easy as well. In Spain it's slightly harder, I have to fill out some forms, but with stable income, very easy to ge…

In Spain, if you fail at the business, do you have to pay back the bank loan?

Not automatically. If the loan is in your name, or you personally guaranteed it, you still have to pay even if the business fails. If it's only in the company's name, usually the company is liable, not you personally. There's also insolvency/"second chance" options, but that’s a legal process, not automatic.

Basically, depends on how you setup the company in regards to liabilities (which I'm guessing is true in the US too), and the exact terms of the loan.

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