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Sodium-ion "salt" batteries will revolutionize electric-vehicle and grid storage

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Re: Sodium-ion "salt" batteries will revolutionize electric-vehicle and grid storage

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And gasoline fires and high speed collisions aren't? This is the bit of paranoia around EV deployment that I genuinely fail to understand. Personal vehicles are by far the most dangerous apparatus with which we interact, already. And we're fine with it! Have you ever, even once , called a Civic or Vespa "scary"? But put a battery in it suddenly they need new tech before you'll be comfortable?

It's not just vehicles. Battery fires from electric bikes and scooters have also caused issues. And currently you can't put a battery pack into plane hold luggage because of fire risks.

Electric bikes and scooters are also vehicles, right?

Re: Sodium-ion "salt" batteries will revolutionize electric-vehicle and grid storage

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And gasoline fires and high speed collisions aren't? This is the bit of paranoia around EV deployment that I genuinely fail to understand. Personal vehicles are by far the most dangerous apparatus with which we interact, already. And we're fine with it! Have you ever, even once , called a Civic or Vespa "scary"? But put a battery in it suddenly they need new tech before you'll be comfortable?

It's not just vehicles. Battery fires from electric bikes and scooters have also caused issues. And currently you can't put a battery pack into plane hold luggage because of fire risks.

How much more likely are you to be injured on an eBike vs. getting run over on a Schwinn, though? Have you ever been afraid of the bike?

The presence of a different failure mode isn't the question at issue. Yes, they're new tech and require new techniques. Duh, as it were.

It's your abject and frankly irrational paranoia that I'm calling out. Chill the fuck out, as it were. Moving things have always been dangerous, and if you believe this represents a change in aggregate risk you are simply wrong.

Re: Sodium-ion "salt" batteries will revolutionize electric-vehicle and grid storage

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There is no reason I can’t put a swimming pool size battery under my house. I don’t care what the energy density is, make it bulletproof and cheap and massive.

Cost is a reason. You need to dig out that dirt (which is expensive), it needs supports, your house needs support around it/through it…

Making things bulletproof and massive runs opposite of cheap

Re: Sodium-ion "salt" batteries will revolutionize electric-vehicle and grid storage

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There is no reason I can’t put a swimming pool size battery under my house. I don’t care what the energy density is, make it bulletproof and cheap and massive.

Cost is a reason. You need to dig out that dirt (which is expensive), it needs supports, your house needs support around it/through it… Making things bulletproof and massive runs opposite of cheap

I figured they meant while building the house, which of course would cut costs by a lot if it were engineered for.

Re: Sodium-ion "salt" batteries will revolutionize electric-vehicle and grid storage

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It is time to standardize EV batteries like wheels: 5-10 mainstream types & competition on quality vs. price vs. range. Regulator help is needed here.

Regulations... in THIS economy and administration????

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Really hoping this enables safer battery tech too. Lithium fires are scary

Are sodium fires less scary?

sodium fires don't make their own oxygen, so I would presume they are less scary

Re: Sodium-ion "salt" batteries will revolutionize electric-vehicle and grid storage

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note sodium-ion is no longer two or three times the weight of lithium-ion, there is only a +33% penalty apparently the problem is there is not yet enough volume in production to compete on price, which I thought was the whole point? > sodium-ion specs have improved to the point that the technology could break into the general EV market. A recent study by Moritz Schütte at Aachen University in Germany and his colleagu…

I do wonder if there will be a convergence between sodium-ion battery architectures and cheaper, renewable-powered desalination. Could industrial seawater mining be competitive as a sodium feedstock source?
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