Wow, Margaret Atwood how dangerous and subversive.
Yeah, she's really underground. Not many people have heard of her.
Dua Lipa opens library for banned and censored books in Portugal
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#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
The confusion is because some books were literally banned somewhere, while others were just deemed not to be age-appropriate for young children in a school environment. We don’t call R-rated movies “banned” because we’ve decided not to show it at schools to kids. That’s why it’s confusing when we switch to books and the word “banned” means somebody, somewhere, decided it wasn’t appropriate for kids in their school or…
the confusion is fake. books are the only time people get fussy about the word. (despite the same conversation occurring every month or two here) dang bans someone from HN? no confusion. alcohol banned in public? no confusion. weapons banned from schools? no confusion. books? oh my god, they aren't banned they just aren't allowed
If someone opened a banned speech museum and then it turns out most of the display is just spam comments from HN it would be pretty silly and rightly criticized.
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#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
In your opinion is Hustler magazine a banned book becuase its not allowed in schools?
if i said " hustler is banned from my school ", and someone came along and said " it's not banned, it's just not allowed ", i would laugh. the word "banned", specifically and only in the context of books, is one of the fucking strangest quirks of HN.
its not strange. Books represent knowledge and ideas. Ways of thinking. An attempt to ban a book is an attempt to restrict freedom of thought and the exchange of ideas. It has a historical context and a ban is generally considered on a societal level, not building specific. Some books are not allowed in school buildings, they are not banned.
Banning books for example has a very different context than banning cocaine. Cocaine use in the United States is banned, Hustler magazine is not. I can swing by the store tomorrow and pick one up legally, I can't get cocaine legally.
Restricting Hustler from a school full of kids is not banning it. Thus the quirk.
If I don't allow Green Eggs and Ham in my house does it belong in a museam of banned books?
Re: Dua Lipa opens library for banned and censored books in Portugal
#95For those of you pretending to have trouble understanding 'banned' in this context, it means essentially the same thing as when someone gets 'canceled'. People who are canceled are not literally thrown in prison and executed.
I miss the days when words still had meaning
Words have more meanings than ever.... but last century produced wittgenstein; perfectly clear communication was always a polite fiction.
Re: Dua Lipa opens library for banned and censored books in Portugal
#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
if i said " hustler is banned from my school ", and someone came along and said " it's not banned, it's just not allowed ", i would laugh. the word "banned", specifically and only in the context of books, is one of the fucking strangest quirks of HN.
its not strange. Books represent knowledge and ideas. Ways of thinking. An attempt to ban a book is an attempt to restrict freedom of thought and the exchange of ideas. It has a historical context and a ban is generally considered on a societal level, not building specific. Some books are not allowed in school buildings, they are not banned. Banning books for example has a very different context than banning cocaine.…
>a ban is generally considered on a societal level
no, its not.
>Restricting Hustler from a school full of kids is not banning it.
only if you are making up your own definition of "ban".
by any dictionary definition, it is completely appropriate to say hustler is banned from the school.
Re: Dua Lipa opens library for banned and censored books in Portugal
#97For those of you pretending to have trouble understanding 'banned' in this context, it means essentially the same thing as when someone gets 'canceled'. People who are canceled are not literally thrown in prison and executed.
Well, it does kind of matter. "Banned" has a specific meaning. If a book is "banned" and you're allowed to possess it or sell it, it's not really banned, now is it? The usage of the word, despite the reality of the situation, strongly implies "this is a book the government WON'T LET YOU READ!" Except, they do. A more accurate term might be "politically unfavorable", but that doesn't get people riled up. And, I'm just…
I agree that words do have a specific meaning, but the history of words changing their meaning is truly awful+! I was talking to this young girl++ in my neighborhood about words and slang - he said he had never considered that words could change their meaning, and that the dictionary was some kind of rule book. At first I thought maybe he was nice+++, but after considering it, he's young! Everyone learns this in time.
Language is mutable and alive and ever-changing. That's just how it goes.
+Used to mean 'inspiring awe'
++Used to mean 'young child (gender neutral)'
+++Used to mean 'foolish' or 'ignorant'
Re: Dua Lipa opens library for banned and censored books in Portugal
#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
In your opinion is Hustler magazine a banned book becuase its not allowed in schools?
If you were to make a list of banned books, yes, it would be fine to include Hustler magazine, as it was (and remains) banned in many places (and because of its historical significance in the fight against censorship).
I can pick one up at the corner store or order it online but its not allowed to sit in the libraries of US elementary schools so would you consider it to still be banned in the US?
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#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
its not strange. Books represent knowledge and ideas. Ways of thinking. An attempt to ban a book is an attempt to restrict freedom of thought and the exchange of ideas. It has a historical context and a ban is generally considered on a societal level, not building specific. Some books are not allowed in school buildings, they are not banned. Banning books for example has a very different context than banning cocaine.…
> a ban is generally considered on a societal level no, its not. > Restricting Hustler from a school full of kids is not banning it. only if you are making up your own definition of "ban". by any dictionary definition, it is completely appropriate to say hustler is banned from the school.
If I don't allow Green Eggs and Ham in my house does it belong in a museam of banned books?
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#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
"libraries and educators to forgo specific books" is neither "banning" nor "censoring" In the name of literacy, we need to use words properly.
Yes, this is colloquially referred to as "banning." Sorry, you don't get to decide how others use language.
Used by those wanting to sell and profit from outrage about "banned" books to be precise.