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Re: 98% isn't much

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post #29

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Some people are locked in old devices and can't upgrade. Basically you are doing class discrimination...

Their inability to stay current does not constitute a responsibility for all of us to halt progress.

Progress, or constant churn for the sake of Google's stranglehold on web standards?

Re: 98% isn't much

#112

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It’s very difficult for the average person to use a ten year old browser; in fact I’d offer that the only way to use a ten year old browser is to be an expert and do so intentionally.

That's a choice by the people who make websites and browsers that forces the average person to buy a new computer. If we all cared about letting people use old computers, this wouldn't be the case.

I wouldn't conflate old computers and old browsers. I still use an over 10 year old laptop and it still has a latest browser.

Re: 98% isn't much

#114
post #78

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So how about also getting rid of all regulations for wheelchair friendly infrastructure while we are at it? Way too expensive and it is even less than 2% of the population that requires it.

Public infrastructure is different. It should work for everyone. My argument is more about commercial products with profitability kept in mind.

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Re: 98% isn't much

#115
The broader point is that percentages can be misleading, and are often because of that. It makes things sound better. But usually, the more accurate thing to do is use odds-notation ("1 in 50" instead of 98%). Percentages have a kind of singularity at the edges, where small numerical changes have massive real effects. Going from a success rate of 98% to 99% doesn't sound like much, but that's failing 1 in 50 vs 1 in 100. You've doubled the efficacy.

Re: 98% isn't much

#117

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I’m not arguing a rail has never been closed. I’m arguing that being a small difficult market doesn’t exclude you from being served by marketed forces. Did nobody ever operate rail to those cities again due to them being rural?

Rural cities? Come again? What was demolished remained demolished, yes. Unclear on your point. Oh I see (thanks to that edit). I mean, I agree with you. This is just the additional amusing detail that government-run services are still subject to a sort of dulled and homogenous version of market forces, which can be worse for small local concerns because it's less responsive. Though, admittedly, a giant corporation ca…

It’s confirmed in the opening summary:

> A few of these routes have since reopened. Some short sections have been preserved as heritage railways, while others have been incorporated into the National Cycle Network or used for road schemes

> Some, such as the bulk of the Midland Metro network around Birmingham and Wolverhampton, have since been incorporated into light rail lines.

Furthermore, the transformation to other transportation forms suggests this event also coincides with changing technology.

Re: 98% isn't much

#118
Part of the problem is The US Government (and UK Government) use the "2% rule" on their websites and only officially support 98%.

I mentioned 3 years ago that Firefox at 2.2% is dangerously close the being unsupported on government websites, and at this point it's now at 1.9%.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36776603

https://analytics.usa.gov/ says "There were 1.66 billion sessions in the last 30 days." - so 2% is 33 million sessions if I did my math right.

Re: 98% isn't much

#119
post #50

Alternatively, 98% is plenty . If your business plan requires you to capitalize on more than 98% of the market, it's already a failure. It'll never happen. As always, it's an "it depends" situation. If your userbase is largely luddites, then maybe you need to support 10+ year old browsers that can't be updated. Otherwise, you can probably just worry about people who are using computers new enough to actually update t…

Unfortunately some business are critical where is not an option or very expensive for someone to not use it. For example, Uber, a Visa immigration website, low cost air carrier booking site, etc.

For public services you can tell people to use another device, or provide a way to schedule an appointment in-person that is accessible using old browsers.

Re: 98% isn't much

#120
post #49

I blame it in big part on the WebDX community group, their absolutely useless "Baseline" guidelines, and on them allowing Apple to be part of that group and make decisions on what features are "ready" to use whilst being behind the only non-evergreen browser in 2026. The "baseline" means nothing. The percentage in caniuse means nothing. The only number that matters is the number of Safari users stuck using a no longe…

And I see the opposite: Safari is a valuable check on constant additions and bloat to the web platform.
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