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Re: Resetting Xbox

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Post by LtdJorge »

slg wrote: post #630
7thpower wrote: post #599

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The awareness of a poor return on investment is a good thing for society. We want to do more with fewer resources. Making terrible decisions, such as investing in distractions for your company and consumers, and then letting your workforce pay the tab.. is the thing that is not great for society.

>We want to do more with fewer resources. Who is the "we" here? Because the profit margin not being high enough is certainly not a problem for consumers. The only people who should care about that are the company's shareholders and "shareholders" certainly isn't synonymous with "society".

Of course it is a problem for consumers if it bankrupts the company. Healthy company is better than no company. And I mean healthy, not greedy.

Re: Resetting Xbox

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Post by account42 »

teachrdan wrote: post #501
corimaith wrote: post #485

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The mismanagement here was actually Microsoft giving studios free reign and they flopped with projects like Starfield. This needs to be understood really within the larger industry trend of quality decline of AAA, which I suspect has to do with changes in overall dev culture and discourse than corporate decisions. There hasn't been a time when developers have been more disconnected from their audience than now.

> There hasn't been a time when developers have been more disconnected from their audience than now. I'm curious what you mean by this. It seems like gamers have never been more vocal and there have never been more avenues (social media, short form video platforms, etc.) for them to voice their opinions than we have now. How exactly do you know that developers have never been more disconnected from their audience? An…

One way is developers making game for far left silicon valley ideologes when their audience is full of horny young males. I.e. the game is primarily designed to push an agenda rather than be fun.

Re: Resetting Xbox

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Post by flohofwoe »

hbn wrote: post #16

It was pretty rich seeing armchair video game industry analysts act like the new CEO was gonna usher in a new age for Microsoft's gaming division because she got to announce the updated logo and some games that would have obviously been in development long before she became CEO. Microsoft is never going to figure out gaming. It's more art than engineering and they can barely manage the engineering with all the interv…

> Microsoft is never going to figure out gaming.

They had it figured out perfectly in the Xbox360 generation (and for PC games by the late 90s), but I guess that the MS Games and Xbox divisions had a lot more freedom and were more decoupled from the Microsoft org chart back then.

Re: Resetting Xbox

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Post by ErneX »

tonyhart7 wrote: post #498
bombcar wrote: post #425

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True, they set themselves up for "the only people who subscribe are those who use/abuse the subscription" - which is a recipe for failure.

by that logic then every subscription is a dud since they could just use heavily in few months and cancel for the rest of the year but that's not happen in reality, people forgot to cancel

Not budget constrained gamers, which there are a lot of.

Re: Resetting Xbox

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Post by ErneX »

hoherd wrote: post #433
rockyj wrote: post #24

This is a total mess IMHO. - The make around 5 billion in revenue per quarter - The problem according to them is profit margin - around 150-160 million So first of all, they are big! Secondly they are not at a loss. They just have a "thin, non-growing margin". So to fix all this they are trimming down, so they can "return to growth" (which I think is ridiculous). Some points - - They are huge business even now - 5 bi…

Another thing that is crazy to me (and maybe this is a premonition) is that if you play MS games online on Xbox, you have to have a subscription, but if you play on other platforms you can play for free. They are literally punishing their own users with additional fees. I thought this was just Minecraft, which is why my kids and I always play Minecraft on our iPads instead of on the Xbox, but when I recently bought F…

I think they changed it not long ago so you can play free to play games without the online subscription. Just like on PlayStation network.

But paid online games you need to be subbed yes.

Re: Resetting Xbox

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Post by dgellow »

flohofwoe wrote: post #663
hbn wrote: post #16

It was pretty rich seeing armchair video game industry analysts act like the new CEO was gonna usher in a new age for Microsoft's gaming division because she got to announce the updated logo and some games that would have obviously been in development long before she became CEO. Microsoft is never going to figure out gaming. It's more art than engineering and they can barely manage the engineering with all the interv…

> Microsoft is never going to figure out gaming. They had it figured out perfectly in the Xbox360 generation (and for PC games by the late 90s), but I guess that the MS Games and Xbox divisions had a lot more freedom and were more decoupled from the Microsoft org chart back then.

The gaming world also evolved a lot during that time period

Re: Resetting Xbox

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Post by LunaSea »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #550
LunaSea wrote: post #344

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Nintendo survives on a few banger licenses. Innovation left the house a long time ago.

I don't know how you can say that when some of their most recent well received games include Tomodachi life and Rhythm Heaven. Those aren't the kinds of games made from those maximizing bean counters.

Rhythm Heaven is a 18 year old and Tomodachi life is a 13 year old license.

Re: Resetting Xbox

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Post by reassess_blind »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #423
bombcar wrote: post #405

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The vast majority of people buy a game, play it a few weeks, and then it sits forever - even if they could trade it in for a few bucks. Lamepass should have been much closer to "buy a new release, get a month of gamepass games for free" or something.

The kind of person that actually cancels gamepass within a month is the kind of person to actually trade in the game. And with an efficient trading market they'd get more than a few bucks so early on.

Not necessarily. I was never the type to trade in physical games, but recently for Forza 6 I could either pay $99AUD to "own" the game, or buy one month of the PC game pass for $15AUD. An obvious choice.

The friend I played the game with did the same. Honestly, if they didn't include Forza 6 in Game Pass we both would've purchased it full price.

Re: Resetting Xbox

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Post by ZiiS »

wewewedxfgdf wrote: post #403

Microsoft has blown Windows and blown Xbox.

The writing was on the wall for Windows two decades ago; I am more impressed they dragged it out this long. It was probably decisions around 2010 in the lead up to the Xbox One that have now eventually killed them.

Re: Resetting Xbox

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Post by King-Aaron »

rockyj wrote: post #24

This is a total mess IMHO. - The make around 5 billion in revenue per quarter - The problem according to them is profit margin - around 150-160 million So first of all, they are big! Secondly they are not at a loss. They just have a "thin, non-growing margin". So to fix all this they are trimming down, so they can "return to growth" (which I think is ridiculous). Some points - - They are huge business even now - 5 bi…

These companies are discovering that selling products to consumers is no longer the thing they need to do in order to earn money.
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