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Re: Fable turned reMarkable into Tom Riddle's diary from Harry Potter

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Post by falcor84 »

SiempreViernes wrote: post #233
childintime wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ease by which you can get banned worries me. It seems unavoidable that soon AI will manage its own suspicion level, provide feedback on it, and when high enough it will call the authorities.. because that's what people do. Banning doesn't cut it, like you can't deny internet access. Soon this will spiral out of control and AI (Palantir) will have to run the response and the parallel AI state erects itself. A citi…

Preventing crimes before the happen is in general just unquestionably good, about as unambiguous a moral position as being in favour of preventing heart attacks. You might be thinking of punishing for a crime that hasn't yet been committed?

Yeah, I never got Minority Report's focus on punishment. If it was a crime of passion that was prevented and will non be attempted again (according to their predictive powers) why is a punishment needed?

Re: Fable turned reMarkable into Tom Riddle's diary from Harry Potter

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

coryrc wrote: post #244
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #218

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> Cars are literally the number one killer of children 0-14 in the United States. More than cancer, more than guns, more than the next 7 reasons combined Cars are heavily regulated. Require licenses to use. Entail massive losses of freedoms when used, e.g. you can be randomly breathalyzed or whatnot. Cars are dangerous. Comparing anything to a car (or, per Altman and now Dario, to a nuke) means it should be tightly r…

Essentially no one in the USA fails to get a license if they try for one. There's no ongoing competence testing. Washington State recently failed to advance legislation to make the fourth DUI have a jail sentence because it would be too expensive imprisoning that many people . > Cars are dangerous. You can kill yourself with a kitchen knife in your own kitchen. Should be "heavily regulate" that too? How about we have…

> You can kill yourself with a kitchen knife in your own kitchen. Should be "heavily regulate" that too?

You can kill yourself with anything. That doesn’t make everything dangerous in the way we’re using the word.

Earlier you said “cars are literally the number one killer of children 0-14 in the United States.” That makes them dangerous in a way kitchen knives, which aren’t commonly killing children outside hypotheticals, are not.

> AI is, so far, like having a bottle of acetaminophen

If acetaminophen were sold as a service where a dude would come to your door to deliver each pill, sure.

Oh, and the delivery guy is paid a commission. And it isn’t a percentage of each delivery, but a multiple.

Re: Fable turned reMarkable into Tom Riddle's diary from Harry Potter

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #81
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #70

Ironically, Tom Riddle's diary encouraging kids to commit suicide [1] and then showing them how to do it would be more on brand than the version in the books. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths_linked_to_chatbots#Suic...

Every AI would refuse the prompt. I was banned for researching Nordic assisted death and asking which drug exactly they administered (and what quantity). Claude refused, alerted Anthropic, and I was banned a couple days later. Thankfully the appeal form worked, but by then I was using a different Claude account praying they didn’t ban me again. There’s an uncensored model floating around that you can run locally with…

I'm actually weirdly glad that they take this draconic step and basically say "this knowledge is forbidden", because it means that people can't solely rely on LLMs for research. They shouldn't to begin with (just like back then with Wikipedia), but it's almost too convenient.

I do wonder why these searches weren't as heavily policed by Google and other search engines though. They probably show a suicide prevention hotline number and that's it.

Re: Fable turned reMarkable into Tom Riddle's diary from Harry Potter

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

xnorswap wrote: post #248
SiempreViernes wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Preventing crimes before the happen is in general just unquestionably good, about as unambiguous a moral position as being in favour of preventing heart attacks. You might be thinking of punishing for a crime that hasn't yet been committed?

> Preventing crimes before the happen is in general just unquestionably good Is that satire? In a world where as if by magic all crimes are prevented, then there is total power in the hands of those who define what a crime is, including being able to label protest as a criminal act. Complete crime prevention is a totalitarian police state.

> if by magic

The problem is the means not the ends. This magic doesn’t exist. In practice is authoritarian surveillance.

If we could kiss a mushroom and bias the universe’s dice such that crime just…wouldn’t happen, yes, that would be good, though it would also open up a plot hole of consequences we, in the real world, don’t need to worry about in general.

Re: Fable turned reMarkable into Tom Riddle's diary from Harry Potter

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #253
sillysaurusx wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every AI would refuse the prompt. I was banned for researching Nordic assisted death and asking which drug exactly they administered (and what quantity). Claude refused, alerted Anthropic, and I was banned a couple days later. Thankfully the appeal form worked, but by then I was using a different Claude account praying they didn’t ban me again. There’s an uncensored model floating around that you can run locally with…

I'm actually weirdly glad that they take this draconic step and basically say "this knowledge is forbidden", because it means that people can't solely rely on LLMs for research. They shouldn't to begin with (just like back then with Wikipedia), but it's almost too convenient. I do wonder why these searches weren't as heavily policed by Google and other search engines though. They probably show a suicide prevention ho…

> because it means that people can't solely rely on LLMs for research

It means you and I can’t rely on that particular LLM.

Re: Fable turned reMarkable into Tom Riddle's diary from Harry Potter

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Post by matsemann »

zahrc wrote: post #232
h1fra wrote: post #216

The first sentence already contains an emdash ahah

I speak as I think and I type and as I speak, so I do uses em-dashes. It’s a shame that it’s now a brand of low quality AI-generated content.

Yeah, yeah, people say that all the time. But it's not the dash itself, it's how it's so stiff and obviously not written by a human. "No screen glow, no keyboard, no chat UI." and other bullshit.

Why should I waste time reading this link, when the "author" themselves didn't write and, probably not even read it themselves.

Re: Fable turned reMarkable into Tom Riddle's diary from Harry Potter

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Post by Folcon »

falcor84 wrote: post #251
SiempreViernes wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Preventing crimes before the happen is in general just unquestionably good, about as unambiguous a moral position as being in favour of preventing heart attacks. You might be thinking of punishing for a crime that hasn't yet been committed?

Yeah, I never got Minority Report's focus on punishment. If it was a crime of passion that was prevented and will non be attempted again (according to their predictive powers) why is a punishment needed?

Not just punishment, from what is implied, indefinite detention of some kind[0]

It's almost like they believe taking people out of the gene pool will eventually eliminate crimes of passion

I miss my slap drones

-[0]: Weird hibernation future prison: https://www.reddit.com/r/CineShots/comments/1gk5ffn/minority...

Re: Fable turned reMarkable into Tom Riddle's diary from Harry Potter

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

Terr_ wrote: post #145
userbinator wrote: post #136

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Orwell's idea of "wrongthink" is more relevant than ever.

Much like with 1984 , I think the promising/terrifying part is that it's not an issue with technology per se , but about a society that has somehow decided to allow Terrible Things to happen. (Often via too much power in too few hands with no accountability or alternatives.) For example, imagine that there are 20 great search-engines around the world (who don't collude), and it hits rather differently.

I think (armchair analysis) it's a combination of two things, one is that it's by choice - people enjoy using LLMs, they find it valuable and convenient. As for social media, companies and society itself successfully managed to gamify people sharing their personal lives on the internet, to voluntarily reduce their own privacy. Also because they still believe they have a choice in the matter, by e.g. not posting or sharing things.

The other thing is the boiling frog analogy, it wasn't a sudden "we're at war now so you get a camera in your house" moment (iirc 1984 skips over the transition to an authoritative state though), it's a slow, gradual progress. People got used to taking selfies, then applying a filter, then using facial scans for identification, then a cool app that puts your face on movie scenes and now the company behind faceapp and co has detailed facial scans of millions of people.

Europe tried to limit it via legislation, but that's a lot of after-the-fact policing and that's just Europe.

Re: Fable turned reMarkable into Tom Riddle's diary from Harry Potter

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Post by bonesss »

imhoguy wrote: post #197
imglorp wrote: post #117

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Wait, so instead of saying "I'm sorry Dave, I can't talk about that", they're now banning you for one blocked prompt? Is this new?

Literaly they silently refuse to open the pod doors for you.

And charge you tokens/money for the security check.

Re: Fable turned reMarkable into Tom Riddle's diary from Harry Potter

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Post by pona-a »

userbinator wrote: post #136
Terr_ wrote: post #100

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For a dash of dystopia: Imagine a company starts using that same LLM fuzzy-matching [0] against what you intend to be normal search activity , to detect "bad" queries and "bad" users who will be blocked. Maybe they'll delete your SSO/email/videos/photos too, who knows. I can easily imagine it happening, especially after some point where they start using the same systems to "enhance" your query. [0] To be specific, yo…

Orwell's idea of "wrongthink" is more relevant than ever.

Orwell also imagined a future where Speakwrites made everyone unable to write by hand, making their thoughts dull and tanged as a long unprepared monologue tends to be.

I don't think he's anywhere on your side.

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