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Re: Fable turned reMarkable into Tom Riddle's diary from Harry Potter

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Post by f055 »

pelagicAustral wrote: post #235
zahrc wrote: post #232

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I speak as I think and I type and as I speak, so I do uses em-dashes. It’s a shame that it’s now a brand of low quality AI-generated content.

How do you even do an em dash? I don't even thing I've got that on my keyboard

"option shift -" like so —, or if you want an en-dash, just "option -" like –. The funny bit is that I like em-dashes too as they indicate a pause or an interruption in thinking that just looks better than parenthesis, however I sometimes like to use en-dashes as well, which can be a pain since some fonts, especially monospaced ones, render exactly the same, for example in this HN edit box: - – —

Re: Fable turned reMarkable into Tom Riddle's diary from Harry Potter

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Post by drdaeman »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #155
handoflixue wrote: post #149

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The article is Aug 26, 2025, and describes events from April, over a year ago. Safeguards have improved drastically since then. > Many continue to ignore the fact that they're hurting kids for profit. That's a rather hyperbolic way of putting it. A side effect of this particular product is that it occasionally harms kids. They're not profiting off of the harm, nor is the harm deliberate. Cars harm kids. There's decad…

> Safeguards have improved drastically since then Source? Seriously. I'd love to see data showing deaths–or even frequencies–have dropped. My views on AI for under-16s is still evolving. Given how the AI companies are fighting these cases in court, and given their backers’ public rhetoric, I suspect they aren't seeing a one-off risk. > Cars harm kids This is tobacco-industry rhetoric. The relevant facts are frequency…

I think the idea is that the chances of an LLM causing death or irreparable harm to a consistently unsupervised kid are too low to be comparable with major sources of harm (like cars) and are rather on or below the level of random casual accidents, like choking or falling, where we normally start to get practical (rather than extra cautious) about the safeguards.

If true (quite probable; there aren't that many reported cases that I found-less than 40, all-time, worldwide), then we can't meaningfully distinguish between willful negligence on Anthropic's side and a "shit can happen for any reason" class situation. Especially considering those accidents seem to tend to involve various mental health issues, particularly including preexisting suicidal ideations as a comorbidity. Probably fewer than there are cases of other bona fide people talking kids into harm (verbal abuse, dares, etc.).

And if so, I guess ethics suggests that we shouldn't assume unproven malice in such a case unless there's proof of actual intent. A suspicion is not entirely without basis, but "hurting kids for profit" feels too provocative in its implications, to the extent it starts to feel misleading.

Re: Fable turned reMarkable into Tom Riddle's diary from Harry Potter

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Post by coryrc »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #218
coryrc wrote: post #171

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>> Cars harm kids > This is tobacco-industry rhetoric. The relevant facts are frequency, magnitude and novelty Cars are literally the number one killer of children 0-14 in the United States. More than cancer, more than guns, more than the next 7 reasons combined. > But AI companies are uniquely defensive, dismissive and negligent when it comes to harming kids. You should see how people feel if you ask them to give up…

> Cars are literally the number one killer of children 0-14 in the United States. More than cancer, more than guns, more than the next 7 reasons combined Cars are heavily regulated. Require licenses to use. Entail massive losses of freedoms when used, e.g. you can be randomly breathalyzed or whatnot. Cars are dangerous. Comparing anything to a car (or, per Altman and now Dario, to a nuke) means it should be tightly r…

Essentially no one in the USA fails to get a license if they try for one. There's no ongoing competence testing. Washington State recently failed to advance legislation to make the fourth DUI have a jail sentence because it would be too expensive imprisoning that many people.

> Cars are dangerous.

You can kill yourself with a kitchen knife in your own kitchen. Should be "heavily regulate" that too? How about we have remotely-locked drawers and medicine bottles and you have to talk with a government shrink before opening?

> Comparing anything to a car ... means it should be tightly regulated and controlled

Popsicles come in many colors, just like cars! Regulate the popsicles!

AI is, so far, like having a bottle of acetaminophen. Deadly if used incorrectly. It should be easy to lock away from children. It is not for the government to get in the way of how adults want to use it.

Re: Fable turned reMarkable into Tom Riddle's diary from Harry Potter

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Post by Folcon »

arjie wrote: post #192
CarVac wrote: post #42

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Sci-Fi Author: In my book I invented the Torment Nexus as a cautionary tale. Tech Company: At long last, we have created the Torment Nexus from classic sci-fi novel Don't Create The Torment Nexus.

Sci-fi author: in my book I invented the idea of inserting human dna into a bacterium and it killing us all Tech company: by inserting human DNA into a bacterium we can make very good insulin that will help diabetics Online Commenter: this is just like that book where the insulin kills us all! My take on this entire genre: https://wiki.roshangeorge.dev/w/Story-Logic_Bias And Eliezer Yudkowsky’s more eloquent precurso…

The problem I have with this is not that I disagree with it, it's a good observation, it's that it ignores humans are very example biased and we really don't have many good positive examples, there's a dearth of positive / utopian perspective in fiction and it's absence sets the overton window handily

I mean the Jetson's is one of the examples that comes to mind when I'm reaching for a positive example of future robots, the Jetsons! A cartoon from the 1960s is in my top 10 examples of "Positive AI / Robot having futures"

Having a more positive takes on the future would go a long way to helping people understand what they're place in it might be, we did used to have periods of history where things were more positive, right now we're really lacking that perspective

Re: Fable turned reMarkable into Tom Riddle's diary from Harry Potter

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Post by NavinF »

stavros wrote: post #217
NavinF wrote: post #133

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"one of my favorite conceits is from the novel [redacted] where they spend the entire book talking about the threat of the space hun invader barbarian belters and how backwards but feral they are and then when you finally meet them they're sophisticated egalitarian transhumanists and all the characters you've been following have been living in space north korea, functionally enslaved and living out their lives blithe…

Where's that from?

A locked account on twitter. locked = only people who follow him can read his tweets and there's no way to follow until he unlocks. The book is Hyperion.

Re: Fable turned reMarkable into Tom Riddle's diary from Harry Potter

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Post by xnorswap »

SiempreViernes wrote: post #233
childintime wrote: post #182

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The ease by which you can get banned worries me. It seems unavoidable that soon AI will manage its own suspicion level, provide feedback on it, and when high enough it will call the authorities.. because that's what people do. Banning doesn't cut it, like you can't deny internet access. Soon this will spiral out of control and AI (Palantir) will have to run the response and the parallel AI state erects itself. A citi…

Preventing crimes before the happen is in general just unquestionably good, about as unambiguous a moral position as being in favour of preventing heart attacks. You might be thinking of punishing for a crime that hasn't yet been committed?

> Preventing crimes before the happen is in general just unquestionably good

Is that satire?

In a world where as if by magic all crimes are prevented, then there is total power in the hands of those who define what a crime is, including being able to label protest as a criminal act.

Complete crime prevention is a totalitarian police state.

Re: Fable turned reMarkable into Tom Riddle's diary from Harry Potter

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Post by prmoustache »

munksbeer wrote: post #222
cyclopeanutopia wrote: post #208

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Why exactly is it so scary?

Because it is so insanely useful, having it cut off is quite jarring.

Still doesn't make it remotely scary, especially as you can get Claude models access though other vendors/intermediates.
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