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Re: Multilingual experience linked to delayed aging

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Post by Thraway198 »

asveikau wrote: post #43
Thraway198 wrote: post #35

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It can't now. It will be able to in the future, when the translation actually becomes fluent for the user.

My point is that a succinct and correct translation for the pun does not exist in the target language.

My point is that the AI will have that info understood as part of "being a translator," and react accordingly. The phenomenon you're describing is a basic fact of linguistics. Many things don't have direct translations, but they are still translated by fluent speakers of both languages.

Re: Multilingual experience linked to delayed aging

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Post by CalRobert »

comrade1234 wrote: post #10
thisoneisreal wrote: post #2

One thing I've never seen discussed on this topic (possible I just missed it, I only read popular accounts) is whether speaking multiple languages is a proxy for higher sociability / stronger social ties. That's a known dimension that improves health and aging and I wonder if just being able or interested in speaking with a broader swath of people is what helps more than the cognitive demands of switching.

Learning German hasn't made me more sociable.

sounds like you integrated well!

Re: Multilingual experience linked to delayed aging

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Post by inigyou »

iLemming wrote: post #47
elpakal wrote: post #11

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Raised multilingual here (as in father spoke one, mother spoke another, living abroad and US back and forth). I don't know about the stronger social ties but I have found that thinking in a different language helps me get to sleep easier. There are times when I'm spinning around in webs in English (work, life etc) at night, and when I switch over to Spanish thoughts I fall asleep easier. Maybe just stuff like that is…

> helps me get to sleep easier I grew up speaking multiple languages. My monolingual friend once asked in which language I dream, and I said - "not sure, I think in all three different ones I'm currently fluent". "But how do you know?", he kept pressing. "Ah, well, they come with subtitles", I joked. But since then I often wonder, how do we recognize a language in our dreams?

I think my dreams use semantic vectors that come with a tag saying they came from sensory input even though they didn't.

I am mostly monolingual but I would expect them to come with a language tag too. I believe a dream about Bob talking about cats in Spanish would directly activate your neural network like V_cats + V_spanish + V_bob_is_talking without activating the parts that would decode auditory input into that semantic vector.

Re: Multilingual experience linked to delayed aging

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Post by inigyou »

slim wrote: post #24
drtgh wrote: post #15

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> China at least has begun cutting foreign-language programs because such AI translation is seen as the way of future. Once this tool becomes adopted enough societally, the learning of foreign languages is going to become a very niche hobby. If this happens, professional or reliable translations will only be accessible to those who can afford/pay them, leaving everyone else stuck with the errors produced by LLMs. To…

people learn by trial and error. ai output can be 50% accurate. it is still useful

Your half third words every wrong me is paperclip understandable.

(When half of words are wrong it is not understandable.)

Re: Multilingual experience linked to delayed aging

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Post by asveikau »

Thraway198 wrote: post #51
asveikau wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My point is that a succinct and correct translation for the pun does not exist in the target language.

My point is that the AI will have that info understood as part of "being a translator," and react accordingly. The phenomenon you're describing is a basic fact of linguistics. Many things don't have direct translations, but they are still translated by fluent speakers of both languages.

I am fluent in both languages and I can't succinctly translate it.

If I changed the meaning of the sentence, I could say, "can I study civil rights if I'm a lefty?"

If it were text, I might give you the translation I already gave yesterday and add a footnote explaining the pun.

Neither of these are ideal. One changes the meaning, the other is hard to understand.

Re: Multilingual experience linked to delayed aging

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Post by amunozo »

Thraway198 wrote: post #28
amunozo wrote: post #8

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This has been said for ages and, as a person in a very multilingual environment, I still cannot see it happening, no matter how good the translations are. I may be wrong, but talking through translation earbuds seems dystopic and uncomfortable.

but for people in unilingual environments, this tech seems like a miracle

It is definitely something miraculous, but still not the real thing.

Re: Multilingual experience linked to delayed aging

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Post by Thraway198 »

asveikau wrote: post #56
Thraway198 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My point is that the AI will have that info understood as part of "being a translator," and react accordingly. The phenomenon you're describing is a basic fact of linguistics. Many things don't have direct translations, but they are still translated by fluent speakers of both languages.

I am fluent in both languages and I can't succinctly translate it. If I changed the meaning of the sentence, I could say, "can I study civil rights if I'm a lefty?" If it were text, I might give you the translation I already gave yesterday and add a footnote explaining the pun. Neither of these are ideal. One changes the meaning, the other is hard to understand.

Ok, so if a human, which is at the top of this ability to translate, choose this route.

What's the problem with an LLM-translatoin bot doing it? It would just do that, give a possible translation, and explain the issue.

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