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Big Tech Has Suddenly Flipped on the AI Jobs Wipeout Scenario

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Re: Big Tech Has Suddenly Flipped on the AI Jobs Wipeout Scenario

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This is all noise. The leaders of these companies are flip-flopping to whatever sounds best for their current agenda - hiring, fundraising, pre-IPO, etc. The only thing that matters is if LLMs with sufficient scaling can become frontier AI researchers kicking off the exponential. Everything else is transient noise.

The leaders of these companies have no stake in it. They are beyond worldly concerns.

Napoleon got sent to Elba. Hitler ate a bullet. Your average tech CEO will still have more money than they can spend.

Re: Big Tech Has Suddenly Flipped on the AI Jobs Wipeout Scenario

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> UBI is non-starter no matter what Sam Altman believes. Do you mean it's a non-starter in the current political climate? Or that you personally just don't think it will work?

It won't work because it's unnecessary. If these boneheads are right AI will drive the price of goods down. Price of labor goes down. It's deflationary. UBI is a backstop against inflation. And really just there so that rich people's money is worth something.

UBI can also be a backstop against deflation, can't it? If no one has income, it doesn't matter if bread costs $1 per loaf instead of $3-5 now - no one will be able to afford even $1 eventually, after they've sold their house at a loss, sold their car, sold their laptop, iphone, etc.

Re: Big Tech Has Suddenly Flipped on the AI Jobs Wipeout Scenario

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Any need to address the huge numbers of foreign workers in America putting direct, nonnegotiable pressure on those jobs? It's time for the program to end.

I don't see the need and I don't think it has the impact you think it does enterprises thrive when they have the freedom to choose who to hire without government interference

I don't want enterprises to thrive. I want me to thrive.

Re: Big Tech Has Suddenly Flipped on the AI Jobs Wipeout Scenario

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> The only thing that matters is if LLMs with sufficient scaling can become frontier AI researchers kicking off the exponential I agree with your sentiment (about the noise), however I think this over simplifies it a bit. We may get AI that is super-human at frontier research and dramatically accelerates the pace, and still have to wait decades before it disrupts the job market (or maybe never displaces all work). Fo…

> I agree with your sentiment (about the noise), however I think this over simplifies it a bit. We may get AI that is super-human at frontier research and dramatically accelerates the pace, and still have to wait decades before it disrupts the job market (or maybe never displaces all work). I don't see why that's the case when you have super-human researchers on tap. There are indeed physical (supply chain-y) issues…

> I hope so but whenever I do, I feel like I'm coping hard and not dealing with the facts.

Maybe I'm being naive, but as someone who spent 2015-2025 fully bought into the idea AI would replace all human labor within ~20 years, my updated take that it won't has a different flavor than coping.

A bit contributor to my perspective was studying the physics of the brain, and a deeper understanding of the very hard economic constraints in the current LLM supply chain.

Re the brain, we compute information in a fundamental different way that is over 1,000,000 more energy efficient than an LLM. We are also around 1,000,000 times more sample efficient at learning.

There is a lot of details in terms of specifics between complexity in human brain architecture (variety of synapses, diversity of neuron types, etc) that have no material equivalent yet.

And on the other side, understanding how hard it has been to build out euv lithography infra, and to completely retool manufacturing for a new paradigm of computing will require so much coordination, a super AI could have all the answers but we also have to deal with getting a bunch of stubborn people to align.

Some people are just coping yes, but if you really zoom into the details on both sides of the equations the gap between where we are and what it would take to dramatically surpass human intelligence is vast.

At the same time I think people overestimate how hard some kinds of knowledge work is (in absolute terms, since it's new and we haven't evolved into it as much), and how economically impactful human augmentation with weaker narrower AI can still be. (Lots of automation and prosperity but without such extreme disruption)

I think in the very long term all bets are off, but we will have plenty of time to evolve our economic systems before we get there.

Re: Big Tech Has Suddenly Flipped on the AI Jobs Wipeout Scenario

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Yet layoffs excused by AI (expenses or claimed productivity gains) are continuing by the thousands each day, so... not sure what this is based on.

Individual firms can cut jobs while the overall economy sees more of that job pop up. That’s what happens when individuals become more efficient, new projects become more economical and more companies end up requiring these jobs.

Re: Big Tech Has Suddenly Flipped on the AI Jobs Wipeout Scenario

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Any need to address the huge numbers of foreign workers in America putting direct, nonnegotiable pressure on those jobs? It's time for the program to end.

I don't see the need and I don't think it has the impact you think it does enterprises thrive when they have the freedom to choose who to hire without government interference

they thrive the people in their own country struggle to survive

not seeing a problem with this is very suspicious

Re: Big Tech Has Suddenly Flipped on the AI Jobs Wipeout Scenario

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> The only thing that matters is if LLMs with sufficient scaling can become frontier AI researchers kicking off the exponential. Everything else is transient As long as the term “AI” means by-and-large LLMs with additional features sprinkled on top, the answer is no. More likely (without careful vetting by the folks aggregating these models) is that the quality will go down as more and more AI-generated output gets s…

> More likely (without careful vetting by the folks aggregating these models) is that the quality will go down as more and more AI-generated output gets subsumed into these models. This assumes that there aren't algorithmic breakthroughs which reduce training/inference costs by several OOMs. How much do these models need to do before people throw their hands in the air and say, ok this is happening. The Erdos unit di…

> How much do these models need to do before people throw their hands in the air and say, ok this is happening.

It's quite interesting to me that your epistemology is basically "God in a box is inevitable" and not skepticism.

> Now if you have millions of instances running in parallel, all "probabilistic", working on frontier AI research I really don't see the blocker (and believe me I wish I did).

The blocker is lots of things, but for one? Compute. Millions of instances running parallel, all "probabilistic" testing different theories would require million of GPU clusters.

Two? For subjects like Physics - Atoms. You need to be able to run experiments. You need access to the real world.

Then there's the S curve. Algorithmic breakthroughs operate on orders of magnitude. Eventually we'll run out.

etc. et al.

Re: Big Tech Has Suddenly Flipped on the AI Jobs Wipeout Scenario

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I don't see the need and I don't think it has the impact you think it does enterprises thrive when they have the freedom to choose who to hire without government interference

they thrive the people in their own country struggle to survive not seeing a problem with this is very suspicious

suspicious ?

Re: Big Tech Has Suddenly Flipped on the AI Jobs Wipeout Scenario

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I don't see the need and I don't think it has the impact you think it does enterprises thrive when they have the freedom to choose who to hire without government interference

I don't want enterprises to thrive. I want me to thrive.

but if enterprises dont thrive you dont thrive either
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