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Python 3.14 compiled to metal – no interpreter

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Re: Python 3.14 compiled to metal – no interpreter

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Post by dotancohen »

cyanydeez wrote: post #35
coldtea wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Where's the magic in this project? What's the secret sauce? Someone else paying for the tokens. Also someone seeing it through (should that come). Obviously we're not "at the moment when most of us can ask Fable to implement a custom compiler to a custom target for our favorite language, and even use it as a part of custom solution", without thousands to spare and lots of time to shape the solution.

It's like we invented a worse github.

To be fair, most of the training data likely came from GitHub.

Re: Python 3.14 compiled to metal – no interpreter

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Post by not_a9 »

Dilettante_ wrote: post #21
himata4113 wrote: post #9

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This is written by fable with the guidance of a very experienced, highly skilled person. See their previous work.

"Very experienced" might mean different things to you. The oldest repo on their GH is from 2017. As for highly skilled: Could you point closer to which parts of their portfolio we are supposed to be awestruck by?

https://github.com/vtil-project/VTIL-Core

https://github.com/can1357/selene

Re: Python 3.14 compiled to metal – no interpreter

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Post by ubercore »

coldtea wrote: post #36
ActionHank wrote: post #5

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That's the neat part, when it's vibed it works, until it doesn't and then it's really hard to make it work again.

> when it's vibed it works, until it doesn't and then it's really hard to make it work again Is it? People have solved AI bugs with AI. If some vibe project eventually hits some bug and stops working, what exactly stops using AI to fix it? Is the idea that bugs will go beyond the limits of AI capability? If you meant to say that when an AI vibe coded project beyond some complexity it's difficult for a human coder to…

The problem is the _way_ AI will solve an AI bug. I've seen the loop countless times. There's a creeping complexity and brittleness that creeps in over time as more and more complexity is left purely to the LLM agent. It will become unsustainable without a human understanding and making course corrections at some point.

Re: Python 3.14 compiled to metal – no interpreter

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Post by roger_ »

himata4113 wrote: post #9
ubercore wrote: post #2

I hate to be that guy, but... one week old project, clear signs of vibing. I will be shocked if the remaining work listed (cpython test suite) proceeds in any reasonable timeline. This is a pretty hard problem to just solve in a week. EDIT: and man, these kind of comments LLM created comments are really starting to grind my gears as my job slowly turns into reviewing LLM PRs: > Known gaps at the language level are bu…

This is written by fable with the guidance of a very experienced, highly skilled person. See their previous work.

This guy is behind the awesome Oh My Pi agent, so I’d give him a chance.

Re: Python 3.14 compiled to metal – no interpreter

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Post by up2isomorphism »

subarctic wrote: post #12
leobuskin wrote: post #11

A few problems with this Fable's project: 1. It's not Python by any means, it's a subset with its own runtime, its own quirks and nuances; 2. It will be impossible to maintain parity with CPython without AI assistance; 3. It will die the same way as dozens of similar (even non-AI projects) died before, and reasons will be the same: (1) and (2).

"Without ai assistance" - ok, but what about with ai assistance?

Then the question is why? Because that is an another way of saying donating tokens.

Re: Python 3.14 compiled to metal – no interpreter

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Post by ttul »

kameit00 wrote: post #7
baq wrote: post #4

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of course it is vibed. it doesn't matter as long as it works.

In 12 months… vibe code mess. Or discontinued. Or both.

How much time have you spent with Fable? We're in new territory here. It does not create messes.

Re: Python 3.14 compiled to metal – no interpreter

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Post by dr_kretyn »

Awesome. Not for this repo specifically; more about the trend. More people are realizing that we have such powerful tools at our disposal and will want to do something awesome, worth while with them. Of course, many will fall off after a week, then more after a month, but some will survive. Knowledge will be spread and some will be winners through adoption. Grit can lead to knowledge, and can lead to awesome stuff.

Re: Python 3.14 compiled to metal – no interpreter

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Post by ubercore »

ttul wrote: post #47
kameit00 wrote: post #7

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In 12 months… vibe code mess. Or discontinued. Or both.

How much time have you spent with Fable? We're in new territory here. It does not create messes.

Anecdote, yes, but I am _right now in the middle of helping Fable clean up a mess_. Complex code is hard and Fable still makes mistakes.

Re: Python 3.14 compiled to metal – no interpreter

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Post by zero1009 »

all2 wrote: post #26
minimaxir wrote: post #18

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Why?

Time-cost for machines instead of willing knowledgeable humans. The former requires money, the latter requires passion. Arguably, passion for a project is without price.

Someone pays for the AI? That's the new human maintainer.
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