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A global workspace in language models

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Re: A global workspace in language models

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This, taken in combination with the SAE paper, the golden-gate claude paper, the feelings / introspection paper, and note in the fable system card (that they are silently nerfing responses about activation shaping), is basically confirmation to me that they have a new technique they they are using during training (along the vibe space of these mechinterp papers), and its probably some kind of representation learning…

Note that Neel Nanda replicated the results on a Qwen model.

Re: A global workspace in language models

#32

As long as language models are liars, such as documented here recently: https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20260706#freebsd We should really stop giving these liar models any further credibility.

Your comment seems to have little to do with the article?

Don't get me wrong - I personally "trust" an LLM as a source of facts about as far as I could throw a rack of GPUs. But this article you linked takes a whole lot of words to cast LLMs as the villian for amplifying a bit of bad information originally published by a usually reliable and widely-cited source:

"In short, either Phoronix mocked up the screenshots to demonstrate what the feature could look like, or perhaps they were testing a preview snapshot for FreeBSD 15.1 which was never shipped. Either way, it looks like other blogs and reviewers picked up on this and shared the information, presenting it as a feature which would be (or was included) in FreeBSD's latest version."

Re: A global workspace in language models

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It would be really cool if they could expose this information to customers somehow. Imagine: - having a log of the most prominent J-space tokens during your customer support chatbot's interactions with a user, so you can have more introspection into why a particular outcome happened - being able to detect certain thoughts associated with undesirable behavior (hallucinations, overstepping authority, lying, etc.) and t…

Anthropic won't do it, but they published the j-lens to introspect the model- from what I understand it's roughly simply feeding a chosen layer straight into the final layers of the LLM for decoding into language:

https://github.com/anthropics/jacobian-lens

Looks like it should be easy to use on open weights models.

Re: A global workspace in language models

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Anyone remember that blog post from a few months back where someone was able to improve a model's math ability by just duplicating layers that were activated while solving math problems? Just literally copy/pasting them and linking them together so the model ran through the same layers again? I get the feeling a lot more research is going to come out in the area of exploring exactly what portions of a model's weights…

Yeah! I still think about that sometimes. Mind-blowing that worked at all, let alone improved performance.

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Re: A global workspace in language models

#36

As long as language models are liars, such as documented here recently: https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20260706#freebsd We should really stop giving these liar models any further credibility.

Lying involves intent whereas hallucinations and mistakes are an artifact of how they work. Humans hallucinate, make mistakes, and can actually lie. We've been dealing with this forever. What's the value in requiring the llms to have 100% accuracy? (I don't think it is possible)

Re: A global workspace in language models

#37
The science might be legit here, but I'm getting really, really tired of the way every single piece of writing to come out of Anthropic is written in some kind of self-aggrandising, wooey wonderous 'our model has developed a genetic mutation that makes it have feelings' bs style. Regardless of what they're trying to communicate, those undertones are always there. It's annoying and disingenuous. Homeopathy 'this-water-has-feelings' level annoying. None of the other labs write like that.

They might as well change their name to Anthropomorphic at this point.

Re: A global workspace in language models

#38

This is fascinating research. I feel this is a significant leap in interpretability research. Since we know J-Space exists and is bi-directional, we can train models on the same and come up with meta cognition abilities. I also fear that the big corporations might use the same to run targeted ads, capitalistic shenanigans. Which they might already be doing through system prompts.

Such an inspection capability might also be used to target ads to LLMs, which would then be more likely to mention or recommend those products and services.

Re: A global workspace in language models

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I’m confused where in the weights the jspace is.

There was a series of blog posts posted to HN a while ago investigating how models behave on similar prompts in different languages. To paraphrase the results: the first couple layers map the query to some internal encoding that's mostly independent of the language. Then there are layers in the middle, then the last couple layers map the result back to the target language. You can actually take those middle layers an…

Here's Anthropic on this topic, last year https://www.anthropic.com/research/tracing-thoughts-language...

> Recent research on smaller models has shown hints of shared grammatical mechanisms across languages. We investigate this by asking Claude for the "opposite of small" across different languages, and find that the same core features for the concepts of smallness and oppositeness activate, and trigger a concept of largeness, which gets translated out into the language of the question.

Re: A global workspace in language models

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I'm reading that probably too fast to have a deep thinking about it, but this J-Space isn't it just the basic of embedding vectors. If you think about getting from a place to another place, using wheels, no gas, to reply to the question of what to visit nearby, maybe in the vector space at the center of all of that you have the word "Bicycle" nearby, so obviously if you look at the value you would say that the model did "think" about "bicycle" when it is not "thinking" at all, and nothing related to human thinking.
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