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What does Jeff Bezos think is going to happen?

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Re: What does Jeff Bezos think is going to happen?

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Post by __MatrixMan__ »

stavros wrote: post #6
__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #4

> Well, from now on the workflow will be: > - Find the book I want on Amazon. > - Buy it. > - Find the same book on a torrent site. > - Download it. > - Physically copy it onto the Kindle via a USB cable. Wait a second... you're rewarding Amazon and the publisher for their bad behavior by continuing to buy from Amazon? Nothing about this plan is discouraging the problem. Cut out the middlemen. Torrent it and send the…

The next sentence says: > And it can hardly escape anyone’s notice that I would achieve exactly the same end-state — the book on my Kindle — if I just skipped the first two stages.

Sure but why pussyfoot around the issue? We should be actively encouraging each other to punish misbehaving companies. It's the right thing to do.

They're deaf to anything besides pain. If you want to help your fellow humans, you need to inflict that pain. Otherwise the company won't change.

Re: What does Jeff Bezos think is going to happen?

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Post by stavros »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #11
stavros wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The next sentence says: > And it can hardly escape anyone’s notice that I would achieve exactly the same end-state — the book on my Kindle — if I just skipped the first two stages.

Sure but why pussyfoot around the issue? We should be actively encouraging each other to punish misbehaving companies. It's the right thing to do. They're deaf to anything besides pain. If you want to help your fellow humans, you need to inflict that pain. Otherwise the company won't change.

I agree, but I think that the author is saying the same thing.

Re: What does Jeff Bezos think is going to happen?

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Post by munk-a »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #11
stavros wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The next sentence says: > And it can hardly escape anyone’s notice that I would achieve exactly the same end-state — the book on my Kindle — if I just skipped the first two stages.

Sure but why pussyfoot around the issue? We should be actively encouraging each other to punish misbehaving companies. It's the right thing to do. They're deaf to anything besides pain. If you want to help your fellow humans, you need to inflict that pain. Otherwise the company won't change.

I think by spelling out the process in this manner and then highlighting the absurdity of the first two steps your argument is defusing a lot of the bad faith responses that are likely to arise.

It does feel cumbersome to execute the argument in this manner but it feels rationally defensive.

Re: What does Jeff Bezos think is going to happen?

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Post by wwweston »

I’ve got an old DX. The fact that it doesn’t have net access anymore is now a security feature and an anti distraction mechanism. I can load what I want by USB. It doesn’t do epub3 which is a problem, but it does PDFs and conversion tricks are possible.

The Amazon ecosystem isn’t uniquely untrustworthy, but it’s not where I want to keep future electronic purchases.

Re: What does Jeff Bezos think is going to happen?

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Post by pyrale »

mjhay wrote: post #7

Buying the physical book from Amazon isn’t a great way to stick it to Bezos. Just have your local bookstore order it for you, it’s easy.

If you want to stick it to Jeff, the best part is to give/lend/sell them once you've read them. Or even better, get them from the (public) library.

Re: What does Jeff Bezos think is going to happen?

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Post by munk-a »

josefritzishere wrote: post #8

I buy paper books. So far zero have been stolen by Jeff Bezos. They take up a bit of space but there are always trade offs.

If you find yourself with an excess of books buy a bird house and set up a little library[1] somewhere in your neighborhood to outsource that storage and the knowledge contained in those books! I liberally loan books that I love out though the ones I really love go to homes I know will appreciate them.

1. Also called a loan-library in some areas - basically a box that random folks can put books into and take books out of without any strings attached.

Re: What does Jeff Bezos think is going to happen?

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Post by b40d-48b2-979e »

mjhay wrote: post #7

Buying the physical book from Amazon isn’t a great way to stick it to Bezos. Just have your local bookstore order it for you, it’s easy.

Or just get it from your library. I rarely find myself re-visiting books, so that model is ideal to me.

Re: What does Jeff Bezos think is going to happen?

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Post by breuleux »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #11
stavros wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The next sentence says: > And it can hardly escape anyone’s notice that I would achieve exactly the same end-state — the book on my Kindle — if I just skipped the first two stages.

Sure but why pussyfoot around the issue? We should be actively encouraging each other to punish misbehaving companies. It's the right thing to do. They're deaf to anything besides pain. If you want to help your fellow humans, you need to inflict that pain. Otherwise the company won't change.

I just see it as a way to highlight the absurdity. They're heavily implying they won't buy books on Amazon anymore in the next paragraph:

> So it looks as though this move — both mean-spirited and commercially incompetent — will result in the loss of about 50 book sales per year.

Re: What does Jeff Bezos think is going to happen?

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Post by jldugger »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #11
stavros wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The next sentence says: > And it can hardly escape anyone’s notice that I would achieve exactly the same end-state — the book on my Kindle — if I just skipped the first two stages.

Sure but why pussyfoot around the issue? We should be actively encouraging each other to punish misbehaving companies. It's the right thing to do. They're deaf to anything besides pain. If you want to help your fellow humans, you need to inflict that pain. Otherwise the company won't change.

> Sure but why pussyfoot around the issue? We should be actively encouraging each other to punish misbehaving companies. It's the right thing to do.

Probably because doing what you suggest would not look great in court:

"Dear Jeff Bezos,

Here is my signed confession letter of intellectual property theft.

Yours Truly, Mike Taylor"

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