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Post by alightsoul »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #227
bigyabai wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the Tragedy of the Commons. There will always be a vacuum of predatory bullshit that can be filled, and the victor is always the biggest sociopath. Rockefeller, Cecil Rhodes, Elon Musk, it's the same traceable pattern all the way back through history. It's not that everyone is like this, but that a few crafty marketeers are able to ruin it for everyone. Why should I treat Sam and Dario with special white gloves?…

The only reason Chinese labs release their research is because they are behind. They lose nothing by doing so because the alpha has already been discovered. This is not hard to understand. Do you really think DeepSeek would publish their algorithms if they led the American companies? Lmao.

do you use american models at work because you choose to or because it's what your employer gives you? is it due to compliance with the american government? two different reasons. most people just use whatever they are given at work.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex

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Post by estearum »

alightsoul wrote: post #370
estearum wrote: post #351

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Because they are a state-owned enterprise tasked with destroying the aforementioned alpha of private American labs...?

oh here we go again saying everything in china is done by the state. it's not a democracy but they're not the soviet union either. if that were true, why don't they have just one model initiative instead of several?

Oh yeah that's a good point. In that case, this Chinese hedge fund is choosing to sink billions of dollars in R&D alongside vast opportunity cost in order to create models and release them for free because umm... they're just that nice!

No wonder you're confused about DeepSeek when you have a fairly obvious explanation provided to you, and your response is "it's unrealistic to think the Chinese Communist Party is behaving like communists."

> if that were true, why don't they have just one model initiative instead of several?

Because value exists at several layers of the product hierarchy? I.e. for the exact same reason that the for-profit labs don't have just one model initiative?

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Post by Der_Einzige »

stingraycharles wrote: post #330
Der_Einzige wrote: post #300

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The fact that they don’t release model weights for free to download on huggingface means that Sam, Mira, Dario, etc are ontologically evil and may they all reincarnate as either durian fruits or cockroaches, ideally as durian fruit infested with cockroaches…

Is this a serious take or sarcasm?

I’m dead serious.

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Post by reinitctxoffset »

alightsoul wrote: post #298
satvikpendem wrote: post #159

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The US can just ban Chinese weights being used in US companies.

There's no need for a ban. There's already no use at all of Chinese models in the US simply because they're Chinese.

As of writing, https://openrouter.ai/rankings shows only Opus, Sonnet, and GPT 5.5 in the top twenty by usage (Opus and Sonnet both have two slots on the 4.7/4.8 and 4.5/5 splits respectively, read that how you will).

I don't know how much business OpenRouter does in Europe (they have some GDPR text in some settings pages I think) but it's zero in China.

You might also consider the countless companies that do nothing but open weight LLM inference: Together (of Tri Dao fame), Fireworks (founded by my old colleague), Baseten, SambaNova (of Chis Re fame), and too many more to count, there's a new one every week. Plus NVIDIA does a ton of this business via NIM and shit.

I'm trying to be reasonably polite because it's possible you literally didn't know that, but this reads as a troll, so, if it is a troll please stop.

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Post by reinitctxoffset »

satvikpendem wrote: post #361
reinitctxoffset wrote: post #273

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The assertion that it's in the United States Government's best interests ban Chinese open weight models is a very strong opinion that is not a consensus even at the fringe of Thiel-adjacent psycho thought: Alex Karp is on record about open weight models being necessary, the fucking "we bombed a bunch of kids with Claude doing rubber stamp target selection" guy. He thinks "trust OpenAI and Anthropic" is a radical posi…

Again, none of what you're saying will make the US government, especially the current administration, care, as they have not cared about many things with consequences either; you're applying logic where there may not be any heed to it. As well, it is a false equivalence to say that local models are only Chinese and otherwise we would use cloud models, but there are American or European ones, so a ban would simply for…

The Pentagon classifies Anthropic a supply chain risk and is appealing a ruling with vigor to reinstate the it's right to decline doing business with them.

I don't know what part of this you guys are having trouble with, but it doesn't get a whole hell of a lot more emphatic on "what the US Government thinks" than who the Pentagon is in court with to avoid doing business with that party.

Mr. Hegseth is the representative of the administration in the AI usage policy of the largest bureaucratic organization in the history of civilization. He has emphatically rejected at least one black box American AI megalab and President Trump has endorsed this action on Truth Social.

The government's stated position is not what you among other commenters are stating or implying as the government's position.

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Post by satvikpendem »

sunaookami wrote: post #177
satvikpendem wrote: post #160

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It is not because they want to but because they literally don't have the capacity to.

I thought that was solved after the SpaceX deal? Claude is rarely down since that and they have a 1.5x usage promo until 13th July.

It's a bandaid not a full solution.

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Post by satvikpendem »

reinitctxoffset wrote: post #374
alightsoul wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no need for a ban. There's already no use at all of Chinese models in the US simply because they're Chinese.

As of writing, https://openrouter.ai/rankings shows only Opus, Sonnet, and GPT 5.5 in the top twenty by usage (Opus and Sonnet both have two slots on the 4.7/4.8 and 4.5/5 splits respectively, read that how you will). I don't know how much business OpenRouter does in Europe (they have some GDPR text in some settings pages I think) but it's zero in China. You might also consider the countless companies that do nothing…

Misleading first sentence, as most use OpenAI and Anthropic directly via their own LLM not through OpenRouter. But you're right that lots of companies use open weight and Chinese models, not sure how the parent got to their conclusion.

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Post by satvikpendem »

reinitctxoffset wrote: post #375
satvikpendem wrote: post #361

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, none of what you're saying will make the US government, especially the current administration, care, as they have not cared about many things with consequences either; you're applying logic where there may not be any heed to it. As well, it is a false equivalence to say that local models are only Chinese and otherwise we would use cloud models, but there are American or European ones, so a ban would simply for…

The Pentagon classifies Anthropic a supply chain risk and is appealing a ruling with vigor to reinstate the it's right to decline doing business with them. I don't know what part of this you guys are having trouble with, but it doesn't get a whole hell of a lot more emphatic on "what the US Government thinks" than who the Pentagon is in court with to avoid doing business with that party . Mr. Hegseth is the represent…

OpenAI has ties to the government (via political donations) which likely will be getting that 5% stake too, so it is not just for Anthropic that the US could ban Chinese models. Consider, why wouldn't they when they already were considering it?

And you mention Hegseth but it was Lutnick at the Department of Commerce who banned Fable, so there are many competing parties in the government. Again, it is not just Anthropic who'd benefit from a Chinese model ban.

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/06/17/us-deepseek-blacklist-cxmt-n...

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Post by RazorBucksICO »

whstl wrote: post #175
throw394042 wrote: post #30

I'm working in large US corporation. And I see that I already have access to 5.6-Sol Ultra on my corporate account. I haven't really used it yet. 2 months ago management was showing us scoreboards, praising leaders who used most tokens. Last few weeks, we're getting weekly emails, telling us that whenever we can - we should use cheaper models, and that we should watch the page which shows our tokens usage.

The craziest to me was someone saying “we are using AI in daily processes, now we need to automate”. But of course to some asshole non-technical people it meant asking for their vibe coded bullshit to be merged into production without review and fighting about it.

“Asshole non-technical people”

You mean the people creating actual business value in every industry where software isn’t the product? Speak not unless spoken to, Mr. cost-center!

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