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Big Tech Has Suddenly Flipped on the AI Jobs Wipeout Scenario

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Re: Big Tech Has Suddenly Flipped on the AI Jobs Wipeout Scenario

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After watching the AI roll out for a couple years now I'm much more confident that it's just a scam. There is no net positive ROI on AI. It's not good enough, and the "mass job destruction" scenario offsets any marginal gains by eliminating the market for basically all products. That doesn't mean that mediocre C-suites won't try but it only takes 1-2 quarters to feel the burn and back track.

Sorry, but you aren't familiar with frontier models if you think it's not "good enough". The latest models are quite a bit more capable than most people in many regards already.

Re: Big Tech Has Suddenly Flipped on the AI Jobs Wipeout Scenario

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> The only thing that matters is if LLMs with sufficient scaling can become frontier AI researchers kicking off the exponential. I think we know the answer to that already - LLMs show no sign of improving intelligence and instead providers are going down the ‘agentic’ rabbit hole. There are too many things missing, like a world model, understanding, and taste (in the sense of knowing what is good and what is not good…

> LLMs show no sign of improving intelligence and instead providers are going down the ‘agentic’ rabbit hole. I'm not sure where you're getting this. I don't work at Anthropic but Fable (Mythos) seems demonstrably smarter than Opus for pretty much any definition of smarter and they claim that Opus was used heavily in Mythos development (yeah I know take this with a massive pinch of salt). Either way if the models are…

Anthropic's claims about their own products have almost zero value as evidence. They have lied to our faces about stuff before, and will again if it drives the hype cycle which delivers them money.

Re: Big Tech Has Suddenly Flipped on the AI Jobs Wipeout Scenario

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> The only thing that matters is if LLMs with sufficient scaling can become frontier AI researchers kicking off the exponential I agree with your sentiment (about the noise), however I think this over simplifies it a bit. We may get AI that is super-human at frontier research and dramatically accelerates the pace, and still have to wait decades before it disrupts the job market (or maybe never displaces all work). Fo…

> I agree with your sentiment (about the noise), however I think this over simplifies it a bit. We may get AI that is super-human at frontier research and dramatically accelerates the pace, and still have to wait decades before it disrupts the job market (or maybe never displaces all work). I don't see why that's the case when you have super-human researchers on tap. There are indeed physical (supply chain-y) issues…

“I don't see why that's the case when you have super-human researchers on tap. ”

Hahahaa this is what AI psychosis looks like

Re: Big Tech Has Suddenly Flipped on the AI Jobs Wipeout Scenario

#64

After watching the AI roll out for a couple years now I'm much more confident that it's just a scam. There is no net positive ROI on AI. It's not good enough, and the "mass job destruction" scenario offsets any marginal gains by eliminating the market for basically all products. That doesn't mean that mediocre C-suites won't try but it only takes 1-2 quarters to feel the burn and back track.

I recently tried to get customer service. I think it was from the DMV for my state. The website asked me to use the AI bot first. Completely useless. It took a phone call with a human to somewhat resolve the issue.

Dunno, the pencil sound effect as they let you speak to AI is quite calming. Now we need and efficient way to penalise claimants getting impatient or even rude at AI.

Re: Big Tech Has Suddenly Flipped on the AI Jobs Wipeout Scenario

#65

article misses an important point that these big tech companies are all listed on the public market, any narrative about their decisions should weigh that reality and why suddenly its being disseminated. personally, I am collecting 3 salaries working remotely. For one of the jobs, I am tasked with hiring other devs but i dont put the effort in as i dont see a point. i just say i can't find a decent engineer and why s…

Any need to address the huge numbers of foreign workers in America putting direct, nonnegotiable pressure on those jobs?

It's time for the program to end.

Re: Big Tech Has Suddenly Flipped on the AI Jobs Wipeout Scenario

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post #59

This is all noise. The leaders of these companies are flip-flopping to whatever sounds best for their current agenda - hiring, fundraising, pre-IPO, etc. The only thing that matters is if LLMs with sufficient scaling can become frontier AI researchers kicking off the exponential. Everything else is transient noise.

> LLMs with sufficient scaling can become frontier AI researchers kicking off the exponential The cost is already outrunning the benefit to a massive amount, and the predicted expotential is not here yet. I predict it'll always be around the corner, a $1T model won't get there, but it will "look promising", but we'll sadly run out of money for the $10T or $100T model..

The only thing the $1T model needs to do is find some algorithmic speedup which allows it to be trained at $100B. I'm not saying that's easy or that it will happen but I just don't see why not.

Re: Big Tech Has Suddenly Flipped on the AI Jobs Wipeout Scenario

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post #52

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It’s true that they are only as good as their input data, but the same is true if you do your own web searches.

I know within a second whether the search result I am looking at is obvious AI slop (search for almost any health condition, recipe, esoteric questions etc almost always have slop at the top of the result), but LLMs regularly source those sites as the basis for conclusions.

>I know within a second

I am sorry to be pedantic, but the correct phrasing would be "I think I know within a second", which seems like a pretty important distinction.

Re: Big Tech Has Suddenly Flipped on the AI Jobs Wipeout Scenario

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The ultimate irony here is that the biggest jobs wipeout most likely to happen now is when all these “AI exploration lab” type teams that every company quickly created are blown up. Most, if not nearly all, of these teams have little to show ROI wise and the music on the AI bubble is slowing dramatically. They went from seemingly unlimited budgets and headcount when CEOs said “get me some of that AI” to some really u…

Can we just speed this up a little? I just want my $100 RAM prices back.

Re: Big Tech Has Suddenly Flipped on the AI Jobs Wipeout Scenario

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post #52

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I know within a second whether the search result I am looking at is obvious AI slop (search for almost any health condition, recipe, esoteric questions etc almost always have slop at the top of the result), but LLMs regularly source those sites as the basis for conclusions.

>I know within a second I am sorry to be pedantic, but the correct phrasing would be "I think I know within a second", which seems like a pretty important distinction.

Sure and thats fair, there's probably many things that are good enough that I miss, but I'm talking about the most obvious possible websites being used regularly as sources in web search. Identifying poor sourcing or misinformation on the internet and what is a credible source has been a lifelong skill I've had to build from the early days of the web, and in the AI boom its only gotten more necessary to be able to not get taken by hucksters with billion dollar budgets.
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