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Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex

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Post by schnitzelstoat »

alightsoul wrote: post #294
schnitzelstoat wrote: post #202

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It gives them a massive advantage because they can cut the cost per token by a lot and eat Anthropic's market share. In what universe is any company going to give that advantage away? In any case if they take away a lot of market share it's basically the same in the end - most people will be using these optimisations.

Deepseek gave it away with R1. They did it again with V4 and DSpark. You don't use it because it's Chinese

I'm not American so I don't really care if it's Chinese or not.

But at work I can only use the approved Enterprise Plans we have and we only have those with Anthropic and OpenAI.

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Post by Der_Einzige »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #148
bloppe wrote: post #143

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"if I don't do it, someone worse will" Of course that's what Dario thinks because that's what every tech CEO thinks. Dario, Sam, Sundar, probably many Chinese CEOs as well. It's what everyone thinks. That's why they're competing so fiercely with one another. That's why they basically make all the same decisions. That's why we need properly open source AI.

Open source AI fails first contact with sufficiently-intelligent-as-to-be-dangerous AI. The day Mythos class models are open sourced will not be a good day. I don't think you understand the impact that will have on the world and on cyber defenders everywhere. It will be pure chaos. Even if you don't think Mythos-class is the bar, open source has to stop at some point, you don't hand everyone a superweapon.

This line of thinking is ontologically evil, life denying, and it and its believers should be rejected and fought with extreme prejudice.

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Post by simpleintheory »

turtleyacht wrote: post #5
drivebyhooting wrote: post #3

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What’s the technique? And did they buy it from thinking machines?

Maybe cache similar answers from others. Surprised if this is not already being done.

They're already doing this under the name "fast answers"

[1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenAI/comments/1stsxvc/new_feature...

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex

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Post by alightsoul »

schnitzelstoat wrote: post #301
alightsoul wrote: post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Deepseek gave it away with R1. They did it again with V4 and DSpark. You don't use it because it's Chinese

I'm not American so I don't really care if it's Chinese or not. But at work I can only use the approved Enterprise Plans we have and we only have those with Anthropic and OpenAI.

Companies and people worldwide just use whatever Americans use, because they read English but can't write it. Americans don't use Chinese models because they're Chinese.

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Post by ob12er »

Shorel wrote: post #167
throw394042 wrote: post #30

I'm working in large US corporation. And I see that I already have access to 5.6-Sol Ultra on my corporate account. I haven't really used it yet. 2 months ago management was showing us scoreboards, praising leaders who used most tokens. Last few weeks, we're getting weekly emails, telling us that whenever we can - we should use cheaper models, and that we should watch the page which shows our tokens usage.

I'm using local models in Ollama for most things and only use the paid corporate account when my local model gets stuck.

for code as well? which local model are u using for coding

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Post by softwaredoug »

throw394042 wrote: post #30

I'm working in large US corporation. And I see that I already have access to 5.6-Sol Ultra on my corporate account. I haven't really used it yet. 2 months ago management was showing us scoreboards, praising leaders who used most tokens. Last few weeks, we're getting weekly emails, telling us that whenever we can - we should use cheaper models, and that we should watch the page which shows our tokens usage.

I’ve switched to a more precise use of agents where I give less autonomy but I have much higher trust the output will be what I expect.

And I do more hand coding to guide the agent to useful patterns I want.

I feel like that’s how I used less capable agents a year ago. But I’m finding even with high quality agents, the slop creeps in.

I want more control. I want to save money. Hence going back to a more 80/20 agent to human LoC split.

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Post by Zambyte »

jvuygbbkuurx wrote: post #113
make3 wrote: post #110

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I don't think that people relying on the tools too much is the first sign I would identify to mean the bubble is popping

The market is priced at expecting AGI levels of breakthroughs. Just a very useful tool for programming is definitely not enough to keep the music playing.

What does "AGI" mean to you such that we have not had it for years already? Whenever I see people mention AGI it's in the future tense, as if we don't have artificial machines that can apply intelligence to general domains.

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Post by csomar »

barrkel wrote: post #186
tmountain wrote: post #178

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The craziest for me is companies that sticking stochastic agents into automated business processes and expecting stable/reliable outcomes. Businesses want deterministic processes in the vast majority of cases.

People are stochastic. You build reliable processes out of unreliable parts with feedback and self-correcting mechanisms. AI is not actually magically special in this regard. It has higher variance and we're still figuring out how to get all the tradeoffs right.

People live in very stochastic and volatile environments and they manage that in ways no LLMs currently ever can. (ie: imagine sending an LLM all the data - sensory/auditory/etc… - that a human receive)

People’s job is to partially reign in this volatile environment by creating processes with stable output.

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Post by rozal »

solumunus wrote: post #114
throw394042 wrote: post #30

I'm working in large US corporation. And I see that I already have access to 5.6-Sol Ultra on my corporate account. I haven't really used it yet. 2 months ago management was showing us scoreboards, praising leaders who used most tokens. Last few weeks, we're getting weekly emails, telling us that whenever we can - we should use cheaper models, and that we should watch the page which shows our tokens usage.

> 2 months ago management was showing us scoreboards, praising leaders who used most tokens. Everyone is insane.

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