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Run Windows 2000 on a DEC Alpha with a new es40 fork

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Re: Run Windows 2000 on a DEC Alpha with a new es40 fork

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Post by Max-q »

jeroenhd wrote: post #69
roadbuster wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It really wasn't a bad operating system It was a wonderful operating system. It provided consumer desktop essentials (Plug & Play, DirectX 7, ACPI power management, Windows Driver Model (WDM), and support for consumer I/O interfaces like USB and Firewire) alongside a modernized UI, all running atop the NT kernel. I was extremely lucky to receive a free copy of Windows 2000 Pro as a student, because I rode that hors…

> Then Microsoft added a green start button and dark blue backgrounds and packaged Win2k for home users as Windows XP. XP contained a lot more than just theme changes. XP solved a lot of compatibility issues that Win2k still had at the time. Running 2000 applications on XP would be nearly guaranteed to work, but Microsoft needed to also get Windows Me/98/95 games and applications to run for consumers. XP brought a fe…

Wasn’t also the graphics driver moved to kernel space in XP? A good performance boost at the cost of unrecoverable crashes if the driver failed.

Re: Run Windows 2000 on a DEC Alpha with a new es40 fork

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Post by anthk »

jeffbee wrote: post #35
spyrja wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It really wasn't a bad operating system. In fact it kind of blew its (lame) Win9X predecessors out of the water! I ran on Win2000 for years before finally switching to Linux. Of course Microsoft ended up going a different course with its newer "offerings" and I have nothing but pity for those who still have to use their products on a day-to-day basis.

Win9X wasn't Win2k's ancestor. Win2k was from the house of Windows NT. WinXP was the merger of the two lines. Probably very few people switched from Windows 98 to Windows 2000. That wasn't considered an upgrade path. That was installing a different operating system. Technically Windows ME existed, I guess.

I'm pretty sure you could upgrade from Win2k as you could with Win XP.

Re: Run Windows 2000 on a DEC Alpha with a new es40 fork

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Post by anthk »

jeroenhd wrote: post #69
roadbuster wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It really wasn't a bad operating system It was a wonderful operating system. It provided consumer desktop essentials (Plug & Play, DirectX 7, ACPI power management, Windows Driver Model (WDM), and support for consumer I/O interfaces like USB and Firewire) alongside a modernized UI, all running atop the NT kernel. I was extremely lucky to receive a free copy of Windows 2000 Pro as a student, because I rode that hors…

> Then Microsoft added a green start button and dark blue backgrounds and packaged Win2k for home users as Windows XP. XP contained a lot more than just theme changes. XP solved a lot of compatibility issues that Win2k still had at the time. Running 2000 applications on XP would be nearly guaranteed to work, but Microsoft needed to also get Windows Me/98/95 games and applications to run for consumers. XP brought a fe…

Windows 2000 had a compat mode too and it was to run w9x stuff better than XP itself.

Re: Run Windows 2000 on a DEC Alpha with a new es40 fork

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Post by ramgine »

sgt wrote: post #70
pavlov wrote: post #50

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Windows 2000 really was the best desktop OS from release until 2002 at least. Linux was incomplete, Sun and SGI were dead except for servers, classic Mac OS was a crashy dinosaur, and Mac OS X was a slow mess. I bought 10.0 on release day and installed it on a dual core G4, almost the top Mac you could buy. It was not usable, much as I wanted to. (The real v1 was Mac OS X 10.2.) Windows 2000 was designed for real pro…

I seem to recall more or less exactly when OS X became legendary. Must be around Jaguar or Panther. But coming from a Linux (and Unix) background, this was a godsend at the time. Now, quarter of a century later - still running it and it's brilliant. The only thing that bugs me is notarization.

I still have my snow leopard usb installer. That was a great OS. It made me switch to daily driving a Mac completely

Re: Run Windows 2000 on a DEC Alpha with a new es40 fork

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Post by jeffbee »

pjmlp wrote: post #67
jeffbee wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Win9X wasn't Win2k's ancestor. Win2k was from the house of Windows NT. WinXP was the merger of the two lines. Probably very few people switched from Windows 98 to Windows 2000. That wasn't considered an upgrade path. That was installing a different operating system. Technically Windows ME existed, I guess.

I did, but I was already trying to use Windows NT at home as well. At work Windows 2000 was quite common, however I actually used the server SKU as workstation OS. As I used to be big into UNIX in the early 2000's, I used to dual boot between it and Red-Hat, eventually I got fed up dual booting all the time depending on the project work, or client support, and ended up using Windows, alongside Humming Bird X Server t…

Yeah I used it as well, in fact I kept using it pretty much forever because I had a comfortable VMWare image with all my apps installed and wiping out your Windows system back to a known-good checkpoint is the only reasonable way to use Windows. Unfortunately this retro scheme fell apart after they stopped developing Intel Macs.

Re: Run Windows 2000 on a DEC Alpha with a new es40 fork

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Post by stasomatic »

bartvk wrote: post #13

Somehow, Windows 2000 does not look dated to me. It looks functional and usable, and maybe even somewhat fresh. I never actually used it long-term (during college, started using Linux), so it can't be nostalgic. Anyone else feel the same?

Same. Also NT 4.0, even better. There is quite a bit of DNA sharing with DEC.

Re: Run Windows 2000 on a DEC Alpha with a new es40 fork

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Post by mattst88 »

andrewjf wrote: post #9

This is pretty cool, it brings back memories. Thanks for posting. I used to manage Tru64 (Alpha) and OpenVMS (VAX and Alpha). Mostly Oracle DB and whatever they called their App development suite (horrible, horrible software) for a University's ERP system (called Banner) and infrastructure (Multinet on OpenVMS/VAX for DNS, DHCP, mail, etc). After that I moved on to AIX on Power5 for Oracle on HACMP and Veritas Cluste…

I also have an ES47 (running Linux)! Would you send me an email to my username at gmail? I've been working on a remote management tool for the ES47 that allows controlling the fan speeds that you might be interested in.

Re: Run Windows 2000 on a DEC Alpha with a new es40 fork

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Post by hollandheese »

Max-q wrote: post #71
jeroenhd wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Then Microsoft added a green start button and dark blue backgrounds and packaged Win2k for home users as Windows XP. XP contained a lot more than just theme changes. XP solved a lot of compatibility issues that Win2k still had at the time. Running 2000 applications on XP would be nearly guaranteed to work, but Microsoft needed to also get Windows Me/98/95 games and applications to run for consumers. XP brought a fe…

Wasn’t also the graphics driver moved to kernel space in XP? A good performance boost at the cost of unrecoverable crashes if the driver failed.

That was moved in NT 4 actually.
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