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Delta flight hit by firework while landing at Midway Airport on Fourth of July

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Re: Delta flight hit by firework while landing at Midway Airport on Fourth of July

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Post by crassus_ed »

fumeux_fume wrote: post #178
msisk6 wrote: post #63

I recently moved to the St. Louis area for a software job at Boeing. I'm actually in a nice quiet neighborhood in St. Charles right under the flight path for planes landing at Lambert Field. The fireworks last night were insane. All around me folks were setting off commercial grade fireworks bursting hundreds of feet in the air. The house was shaking, my dogs were freaking out, one of them had a seizure. The air was…

My opinion about how people use fireworks changed when I adopted a dog from a shelter and discovered how deeply traumatizing booms are to her. From chatting with other dog owners this seems to be common. If my neighbors could see the extent fireworks affect the same friendly, silly pup their children love greeting everyday, they would probably think twice about how they use them. We can manage the night of the 4th by…

I used to love the tradition of lighting fireworks but I think the way people have been using them has changed in the last decade. Everything seems to transform into a war zone and some people do incredibly dangerous things.

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Post by ks1723 »

inigyou wrote: post #216
sdoering wrote: post #210

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> Going so far to regulate what you ought to say or to watch. Native born German. Calling BS on that crap. I recommend reading up on "freedom from" vs. "freedom to". Explains quite a lot of differences between the European tradition of ensuring people are "free from" an potentially oppressive state vs. the US tradition of "freedom to". In each "freedom of speech" index I know, Germany fares better than the US, or Bri…

In Germany you will get arrested if you publicly talk about Gaza and Israel

This is just BS. I had and saw many public discussion also on German Marktätze on this topic, some quite heated. Nobody was arrested or removed from their job or otherwise sanctioned. But of course people were disagreeing. The right to free speech is not the right to freedom from contradiction!

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Post by account42 »

igleria wrote: post #215
helterskelter wrote: post #188

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I'm fine with idiots blowing their own hands off, I just worry about wildfires.

that is until you can't have a hospital bed due to those idiots.

That has more to do with hospitals hyper-optimizing for profit. And a regular demand actually improves the situation here.

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Post by khurs »

ggm wrote: post #128

Flying into London on November 5 a decade or so ago I was struck by how similar things looked to WW2 bombing run photographs, except it was in colour. A moment of pause. (The Australian War memorial has a museum with the nose of a Lancaster bomber, and they run footage inside it (or a mock up, they have a lot of stuff) projected onto the floor and forward view taken by bombing observation film crews during the raids…

Times have changed in UK.

We all grew up doing our own bonfires and fireworks, but now it's mostly organised large displays at public parks and other venues.

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Post by cucumber3732842 »

hvb2 wrote: post #230
chopin wrote: post #189

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But this is none of your business. I live in Germany, where everything is regulated by well meaning people. Going so far to regulate what you ought to say or to watch. It is hellish. I don't recognize the country any more in which I was born and raised.

> But this is none of your business. I live in Germany, where everything is regulated by well meaning people. Assuming you haven't lived in the US I think you're severely underestimating some of the stupidity going on. So let's say your house has a thatched roof in California where it's bone dry and hot. At that point, the person lighting the fireworks will still say it's none of your business. Even if it's illegal a…

You wouldn't be allowed to have a thatched roof house in California specifically because of the fire risk.

And if someone wanted to and had a bunch of reasons why it was a good thing you would turn around and be all "but the law" and point to the fire risk.

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Post by redsocksfan45 »

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #212
greggoB wrote: post #69

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> one of them had a seizure It's insane to me how much dogs are supposedly loved by such a large chunk of the pop, and yet people proceed to go apeshit with fireworks fully knowing how badly this affects them.

I mean I think most people would agree it's completely irresponsible and borderline absuive to own a dog and stay in nearly any city in the USA during the 4th. People rightfully blame the owners it's not like this is a surprise for them.....

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Re: Delta flight hit by firework while landing at Midway Airport on Fourth of July

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Post by cucumber3732842 »

OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #30

Am I the only one who thinks the risks are worth the reward? People are celebrating, kids are having fun. Yes a few people blow their hands off, but are we going to remove everything, one by one, in the name of safety?

The HN comments are a case study in sampling bias.

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

kypro wrote: post #220
nearlyepic wrote: post #184

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> this reflects an aspect of American culture that you can’t just erase. Yeah, and that’s the problem. A whole country full of people belligerent enough to say “fuck you” to anyone who tells them “hey you probably shouldn’t blow your hand off”. What a wonderful place.

It's funny because I read the parent comment and thought that was actually kinda cool. Lots of things we do are really stupid from a purely productivity, health or safety perspective. American's were probably wrong to oppose alcohol prohibition. They probably should ban motorbikes. Fireworks should be largely banned to members of the public. Pizza should be illegal. Etc.. Part of what makes a country a place you'd wa…

Rules come from lawsuits.

When you can get sued, safety fences get put up, quite quickly.

America has very aggressive lawyers. We live in a country, where being stupid, can be financially rewarding.

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

sidewndr46 wrote: post #182
jandrewrogers wrote: post #133

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40-50 years ago, fireworks were largely unregulated across the US and were a major part of the 4th of July cultural experience. Dangerous, slightly reckless, and incredibly fun. I have fond memories of this as a child. It is a big part of American culture, like turkey on Thanksgiving. Every country has rules that exist but which are culturally unenforceable. Today, fireworks are outlawed in much of the US because saf…

Given American policing culture, I really don't buy that the police can't show up and start arresting you for public endangerment. They may not want to, but that is different

I was talking to someone that hosts commercial-grade fireworks, every year, in his backyard.

He said the trick is to invite a couple of cops.

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Post by abc123abc123 »

jandrewrogers wrote: post #133
msisk6 wrote: post #63

I recently moved to the St. Louis area for a software job at Boeing. I'm actually in a nice quiet neighborhood in St. Charles right under the flight path for planes landing at Lambert Field. The fireworks last night were insane. All around me folks were setting off commercial grade fireworks bursting hundreds of feet in the air. The house was shaking, my dogs were freaking out, one of them had a seizure. The air was…

40-50 years ago, fireworks were largely unregulated across the US and were a major part of the 4th of July cultural experience. Dangerous, slightly reckless, and incredibly fun. I have fond memories of this as a child. It is a big part of American culture, like turkey on Thanksgiving. Every country has rules that exist but which are culturally unenforceable. Today, fireworks are outlawed in much of the US because saf…

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