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Re: Organic Maps

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Post by Tmpod »

kqr wrote: post #293
y04nn wrote: post #292

The quality of the maps is getting better, much more useful and detailed than Google Maps. I find it much easier to locate myself on Organic Maps than Google Maps. For example parks are only a green blob on Google Maps, while benches, walking paths, drinking water points, toilets and other landmarks and buildings are visible on Organic Maps. I find that adding transit lines or cycling routes as an overlay is also a g…

I often reference this comparison in this context: https://i.xkqr.org/gmapsvsosm.png

That's OSM Carto[1] on the bottom, the default renderer/style on osm.org, but there are many alternative ones too. For example, Maptiler[2] has a bunch of cleaner styles, closer to Google's, yet with greater detail. Here is a basic one used my OSMApp[3] for that place as well: https://i.ibb.co/7dD05Ldp/Captura-de-ecr-20260706-092411.png

[1]: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap_Carto [2]: https://www.maptiler.com [3]: https:/osmapp.org

Re: Organic Maps

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Post by [deleted] »

VorpalWay wrote: post #200
eisa01 wrote: post #4

Organic Maps was my go to app for a navigation app where you can fix errors yourself immediately! So much better than having to work for free on the proprietary apps, and hope they accept your edits There’s a fork from one year ago, CoMaps, that is gaining different features E.g., I am adding CarPlay Dashboard support that you can test by joining the TestFlight We are in great need of both more testers and some prope…

I have used OsmAnd+ for well over 15 years by now, which also uses OSM data, just like these. And I have used JOSM on my PC to fix the OSM data myself. Does Organic maps / CoMaps offer anything OsmAnd+ doesn't for someone who uses it for car navigation (especially on back roads in the wilderness) as well as hiking? (All in the Nordic countries.) I also record tracks with it.

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Re: Organic Maps

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Post by usrusr »

y04nn wrote: post #292

The quality of the maps is getting better, much more useful and detailed than Google Maps. I find it much easier to locate myself on Organic Maps than Google Maps. For example parks are only a green blob on Google Maps, while benches, walking paths, drinking water points, toilets and other landmarks and buildings are visible on Organic Maps. I find that adding transit lines or cycling routes as an overlay is also a g…

One is an ad medium, the other isn't.

But it really depends not only on the presentation theme but also on the data set itself and that varies by region. I'm sure that there are still places where the sources Google is buying are better than whatever is on OSM, just like there are regions where OSM is just so much more detailed than everybody else. And yet others, where OSM is generously fed by an entity that also supplies Google and all the others because they are not doing it for the map, they are doing it for the place.

Re: Organic Maps

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Post by maelito »

bpev wrote: post #117
maelito wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes it's planned. Should work in theory, but no one tried before. Maps are so often done as native apps that to my knowledge no one tried to just use the PWA capabilities to cache tiles on the Web. Of course what's hard is cache invalidation. Does the user want to update the tiles ? Never ? Daily, weekly ? Only some regions ? Or manually ? Here's an issue about that : https://codeberg.org/cartes/web/issues/1078 It's…

FWIW, I have an experimental open-source implementation of offline-capable PWA protomaps. Haven't advertised it much, because I haven't sorted out performance (particularly on mobile), and it's a bit buggy still. Also, don't have cache invalidation. But it does work. Usually. xD app: https://maps.bpev.me source: https://tangled.org/bpev.me/maps Based on results from indexeddb pmtiles work: https://github.com/jtbaker/…

Did you explore the solution of just caching the pmtiles requests responses as well, instead of IndexedDb ?

Re: Organic Maps

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Post by bpev »

maelito wrote: post #304
bpev wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW, I have an experimental open-source implementation of offline-capable PWA protomaps. Haven't advertised it much, because I haven't sorted out performance (particularly on mobile), and it's a bit buggy still. Also, don't have cache invalidation. But it does work. Usually. xD app: https://maps.bpev.me source: https://tangled.org/bpev.me/maps Based on results from indexeddb pmtiles work: https://github.com/jtbaker/…

Did you explore the solution of just caching the pmtiles requests responses as well, instead of IndexedDb ?

I didn't dig too deeply into it, because explicitly storing locally just gives a bit more control. Also, since I was kind of imitating the style of Organic Maps, I wanted to give the ability to download entire tiles. I view caching responses more like a performance enhancement, whereas I wanted explicit offline support.

Re: Organic Maps

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Post by idoubtit »

VorpalWay wrote: post #200
eisa01 wrote: post #4

Organic Maps was my go to app for a navigation app where you can fix errors yourself immediately! So much better than having to work for free on the proprietary apps, and hope they accept your edits There’s a fork from one year ago, CoMaps, that is gaining different features E.g., I am adding CarPlay Dashboard support that you can test by joining the TestFlight We are in great need of both more testers and some prope…

I have used OsmAnd+ for well over 15 years by now, which also uses OSM data, just like these. And I have used JOSM on my PC to fix the OSM data myself. Does Organic maps / CoMaps offer anything OsmAnd+ doesn't for someone who uses it for car navigation (especially on back roads in the wilderness) as well as hiking? (All in the Nordic countries.) I also record tracks with it.

I also use OsmAnd~ for hiking, and even more for cycling. I tried CoMaps after a friend recommended it. In my experience, OsmAnd is much more powerful, and if you can tolerate its complexity and battery-drain, it's worth it.

- CoMaps is much simpler, but lacks features. OsmAnd has (too many) features and requires heavy configuration, e.g. to disable some features I never use and optimize battery life.

- Loading a track (GPX) in CoMaps is cumbersome (you have to "Open with..." from a file navigator). OsmAnd can load tracks from within the app, and just display them or turn one into a route. With CoMaps, I couldn't load more than one on a map. My GPX routes are prepared with BRouter on my desktop computer, since both apps are unable to build routes of 150 kms

- CoMaps is better at energy saving. OsmAnd drains my battery in 5-6 hours when the screen is on (the screen roughly accounts for half of the drain). YMMV. For long rides, I switch the phone off as soon as I don't absolutely require its help for navigation.

- OsmAnd has features that I would never give up. Notably, displaying markers on "drinking water" POI, so that I know when I'll be able to refill, or decide if I must deviate my route toward a drinking tap.

- There are more maps and data in OsmAnd than in CoMaps, and more visualisation options.

- Last time I tried CoMaps (from F-Droid), at some point the screen went blinking, alternating between home and CoMaps. The only way out was to shutdown the phone.

[edit: BRouter for routing]

Re: Organic Maps

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Post by ah27182 »

nicklasaven wrote: post #276
palata wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's interesting. So that makes it more efficient for offline maps? How much more efficient? I'm curious now!

Hi I am th author of TilelessMap (ResilientMaps). The idea is to not destroy data. In a tile the geometries are cut into smaller pieces. That is important to be able to do efficient caching. Vector tiles are also often simplified to fit each zoom level. This means that the data is quite worthless for anything byt rendering. So far tilelessmap is also just rendering. But it opens up the possibilities for any gis proce…

This is a really interesting project and thanks for sharing these tech details! Are you guys working on an iOS app yet? Would love to give it a try.

Re: Organic Maps

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Post by ponkipo »

h4kunamata wrote: post #238

To the best of my knowledge, Organic Maps is a dying project. CoMaps was forked from Organic Maps because of shift in how things were being done and ignored. I mean, those in IT know very well how that is ending. CoMaps is highly active and receiving new features release by release. If you wanna use a 5 stars app based on OpenStreet Maps: https://www.comaps.app/download/ The fact that OP just posted Organic Maps URL…

comment doesn't seem very objective, OM receives monthly updates the same way it did for years, also getting new features each time. so define what you mean here by repeating "dying project" two times?

Re: Organic Maps

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Post by ponkipo »

As a active OSM contibutor with 7k+ changesets, Organic is my favorite map app I use for years traveling around the world, also donated to them. Only use GMaps for finding businesses.

Tried CoMaps, saw no reason to migrate to it at all - why migrate to basically no-name app (in terms of popularity) which is developed by who knows who (not even a Maps Me or OM devs) if Organic is totally good, has updates, stable, works well and has no ads? Have no idea what is this ad talk to be honest.

OSMAnd is nice, but too cluttered, OM is much easier to use. Only cool thing is being able to get live updates to a map if you changed something in OSM, but never actually used it for real.

Re: Organic Maps

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Post by mFixman »

The killer feature of Organic Maps and OSM is the POI markers for small things. If you are cycling, knowing where the nearest bike rack is to your location is crucial.

Google Maps is very good at showing car parking spaces, which is the requirement if you live in a suburb in California like its developers.

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