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Al Vigier: Canada's AI strategy shouldn't include secret Palantir bills

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Re: Al Vigier: Canada's AI strategy shouldn't include secret Palantir bills

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Because govtech is notoriously difficult to break in to.

How did Palantir break in? What's preventing a Canadian competitor from doing the same?

Lack of investment probably. No one is investing in Canadian companies. A stupid amount of Canadian investment is in America or overseas, very little is domestic

Re: Al Vigier: Canada's AI strategy shouldn't include secret Palantir bills

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Palantir's software stack is not really that complex, and their FDE workforce is famously... undereducated. Canada should be able to pull it off, there's much to improve on.

You overestimate the willingness of Canadian software engineer employers to pay anything beyond peanuts. Any competent developer already immediately flees to the US to triple their take-home pay at first chance and Canadian employers are fully aware of this.

They didn’t pay well before the AI hype, now software developers are seen far worse. The other day I was looking at embedded/robotics engineers jobs in canada, the salaries are CAD$60k to CAD$90k (far less than USD for who doesn’t know), and the job description I swear is enough to send rockets to the space, what an absolute joke. Meanwhile in the US they are paid $250k USD, with defined scope (say only vision or autonomy). Canada is a based on service economy, nursing or plumbing or similar will make better than staff software engineers, hell, a heavy equipment operator who moves few joysticks and listens to music all day make CAD$115k and unionized too.. and the delusionals think that will replace US decades of investment in tech industry while dancing to “elbows up!” in a festival.

The only way is Canada joining the EU in making their own tech, but even then, this will take at least a decade to materialize, if any, don’t forget all infrastructure hardware is still US, hp/dell/nvidia/etc plus decades of software and OSes, so yeah.

Re: Al Vigier: Canada's AI strategy shouldn't include secret Palantir bills

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China is the most sensible current superpower. They are barely communist at all since Deng and have a better recent track record in terms of maintaining global trade. And at least in recent years they are probably the least worst super power in terms of imprisoning minorities. Oh and Premier Xi lives under your bed.

> least worst super power in terms of imprisoning minorities It's amazing how fast everyone forgot about Xinjiang. These things don't stop simply because journalists get bored.

>It's amazing how fast everyone forgot about Xinjiang. These things don't stop simply because journalists get bored.

Havent forgotten. Its not that China got better, its that its competitors got worse.

Re: Al Vigier: Canada's AI strategy shouldn't include secret Palantir bills

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post #55

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China is the most sensible current superpower. They are barely communist at all since Deng and have a better recent track record in terms of maintaining global trade. And at least in recent years they are probably the least worst super power in terms of imprisoning minorities. Oh and Premier Xi lives under your bed.

> least worst super power in terms of imprisoning minorities It's amazing how fast everyone forgot about Xinjiang. These things don't stop simply because journalists get bored.

What do you think happened in Xinjiang?

Re: Al Vigier: Canada's AI strategy shouldn't include secret Palantir bills

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Because it’s a company with no ethics beyond “might makes right,” owned by a person of dubious sanity who travels around the world to warn anyone who’ll listen about how the Antichrist is bad for their business. Why would anyone in their right minds do business with a company like that?

To be fair the Antichrist, being a prophesied entity from several millennia ago, is probably not super up to date on twenty-first-century business best practices. They probably still use waterfall.

There is a fantastic book to be written about the Antichrist finally rising to lay waste to the world, only to be astounded by air travel, the internet, etc. A demonic horde of a thousand flaming knights riding through Rome is largely written off as a new burning man thing, etc.

Re: Al Vigier: Canada's AI strategy shouldn't include secret Palantir bills

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I mean no public strategy should include secret bills, Palantir or no Palantir. If you're idealogically opposed to Palantir, how will a home-grown Palantir help? It would likely do the same things Palantir does but with a Canadian Alex Karp

There likely isn't a Canadian Alex Karp. Karp is a unique byproduct of American culture. The specific brand of arrogance, hunger for war, and callous disregard for human life, all in service of a right wing ideological project, is simply not as present in Canada because Canada is a middle power with more liberal values who prefer diplomacy over war.

I think you can't really measure a country's approach to war unless that country is already quite powerful. This is the reason that it's said that power corrupts. It's easy to have good values when it's difficult to have bad values, or there is minimal benefit to such. But give a man (or country) tremendous power, and suddenly having bad values can be immensely rewarding on short to medium time scales.

Re: Al Vigier: Canada's AI strategy shouldn't include secret Palantir bills

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Canada and Europe call for banning American companies in their the name of sovereignty: upvoted and praised as necessary America tries that for valid reasons (unfair subsidies, human or labor rights violations, BYD): get called fascist or stupid

Canada and Europe call for banning American companies in their the name of America Threatening to go apeshit and do stupid stuff: upvoted and praised as necessary. America tries that for stupid xenophobic reasons, gets called stupid or xenophobic.

Yes, intent matters. Call the police on the crack house next door, neighbors celebrate you. Call the police to harass the Black people door, neighbors shun you.

This shouldn’t be surprising.

Re: Al Vigier: Canada's AI strategy shouldn't include secret Palantir bills

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To be fair the Antichrist, being a prophesied entity from several millennia ago, is probably not super up to date on twenty-first-century business best practices. They probably still use waterfall.

There is a fantastic book to be written about the Antichrist finally rising to lay waste to the world, only to be astounded by air travel, the internet, etc. A demonic horde of a thousand flaming knights riding through Rome is largely written off as a new burning man thing, etc.

Are you familiar with Pratchett & Gaiman's "Good Omens" (book and TV series)? It has a certain amount of that general spirit.
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