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Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex

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Post by nl »

dannyw wrote: post #123
nl wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their methodology isn't published. Its widely accepted[1] that it runs the same query through the model in parallel and then has a model that either selects the best answer or synthesizes an answer from the multiple ones generated. I believe most people think it runs 6 sub-models, but I think that is based on the pricing. It's a pity that OpenAI doesn't publish details like this. [1]eg https://news.ycombinator.com/it…

Basically like passes@6 or passes@5 if you’re doing a benchmark, except for your real tasks. Pro is quite limited on the web UI I reckon. This approach can be highly effective for reasonably verifiable task, for example, write comprehensive unit tests pointing out a tricky bug, get multiple agents to swarm at it.

It's been very successful at frontier math tasks - a bunch of the Erdos questions have been solved by it - more than any other model.

https://www.erdosproblems.com/

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex

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Post by cindyllm »

bigyabai wrote: post #49
layla5alive wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://archive.ph/NEwVz "However, these inference optimizations, which rival Anthropic refers to as “compute multipliers,” are a big focus for all the labs. Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei has been publicly talking about the concept since at least mid-2023, when he said on a podcast that the company limits “the number of people who are aware of a given compute multiplier” because it could give other AI labs a leg up if t…

> He sure did seem to speed run the 'tech leader with scruples' to 'tech villain' path! What kind of rosy-eyed chump believes in the "tech leader with scruples" bullshit? It always lies. Did some people just ignore Mark Zuckerberg and Tim Cook's sociopathy, somehow? Did anyone buy into their "privacy is a human right" nonsense?

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Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex

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Post by elric »

camillomiller wrote: post #124
solumunus wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 2 months ago management was showing us scoreboards, praising leaders who used most tokens. Everyone is insane.

It‘s a collective psychosis. There is not other explanation.

Everyone is falling over themselves out of FOMO.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex

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Post by noduerme »

throw394042 wrote: post #30

I'm working in large US corporation. And I see that I already have access to 5.6-Sol Ultra on my corporate account. I haven't really used it yet. 2 months ago management was showing us scoreboards, praising leaders who used most tokens. Last few weeks, we're getting weekly emails, telling us that whenever we can - we should use cheaper models, and that we should watch the page which shows our tokens usage.

That's kinda hilarious. Pretty soon they might just ask people to write code themselves.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex

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Post by chkmr »

throwaway27448 wrote: post #127

Bruh when did understanding chatbots become like following pokemon? Wtf does any of this this mean. Tf is sol? Tf is ultra? Tf is codex? Tf happened to descriptive nomenclature?

Maybe you jest, but I'll bite.

> Tf is sol?

It's a proper noun: the name given to their latest and greatest model. Means "Sun" in Latin. Similar to how Anthropic has been naming its models Fable, Opus, Sonnet etc. Their other models are called Terra (Latin: Earth) and Luna (Latin: Moon) [0].

> Tf is ultra?

The name of the "harness" around the model. It'll use deeper thinking, subagents and all that jazz in response to a prompt. Other options include max, high, medium etc I suppose.

> Tf is codex?

"Coding agent" similar to Claude Code [1], something with a more descriptive name.

> Tf happened to descriptive nomenclature?

Something like GLM-4-32B-0414-128K (not made up [2]) doesn't quite roll off the tongue I suppose.

[0]: https://openai.com/index/previewing-gpt-5-6-sol/

[1]: https://openai.com/codex/

[2]: https://docs.z.ai/guides/llm/glm-4-32b-0414-128k

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex

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Post by senectus1 »

throw394042 wrote: post #30

I'm working in large US corporation. And I see that I already have access to 5.6-Sol Ultra on my corporate account. I haven't really used it yet. 2 months ago management was showing us scoreboards, praising leaders who used most tokens. Last few weeks, we're getting weekly emails, telling us that whenever we can - we should use cheaper models, and that we should watch the page which shows our tokens usage.

interesting, our enterprise account here in Australia doesn't have access to it yet.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex

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Post by ed_mercer »

minimaxir wrote: post #54
jvdsf wrote: post #44

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Given that it is #1 on the front page now, people most definitely care. Also, from the Guidelines: > Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes.

Seems rather random though that it's #1. Fable had way more upvotes.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex

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Post by bloppe »

layla5alive wrote: post #26
postalcoder wrote: post #2

I wonder if it's related that that OpenAI has found a way to cut inference costs by half, according to The Information. https://www.theinformation.com/newsletters/ai-agenda/openai-...

https://archive.ph/NEwVz "However, these inference optimizations, which rival Anthropic refers to as “compute multipliers,” are a big focus for all the labs. Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei has been publicly talking about the concept since at least mid-2023, when he said on a podcast that the company limits “the number of people who are aware of a given compute multiplier” because it could give other AI labs a leg up if t…

I agree that Dario is pretty annoying, but I think the "tech villain" archetype is essentially survivorship bias. The tech leaders who don't act that way are not nearly as visible because they're not nearly as successful.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex

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Post by imhoguy »

noduerme wrote: post #134
throw394042 wrote: post #30

I'm working in large US corporation. And I see that I already have access to 5.6-Sol Ultra on my corporate account. I haven't really used it yet. 2 months ago management was showing us scoreboards, praising leaders who used most tokens. Last few weeks, we're getting weekly emails, telling us that whenever we can - we should use cheaper models, and that we should watch the page which shows our tokens usage.

That's kinda hilarious. Pretty soon they might just ask people to write code themselves.

oh no! what about all these demos which product management vibe coded?
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