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Re: Organic Maps

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I used comaps on a hike. It really is good at not draining your battery. I've wanted to run it on my wear OS watch, but while you can sideload the APK, wearOS does not have a file browser, so it's not possible to import a planned route or similar. Has anyone here any idea for how to solve this?

Send it in an attachment over Telegram or something and open that on your watch?

Re: Organic Maps

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They can’t do so automatically. Osm Editors must approve. Apparantly OSM fears legislation when people copy info from google maps. They like to see evidence, like street sign photos. In my limited experience anyway.

This isn't true, I don't know any FOSS OSM apps that have any approval process.

I can imagine it is not the same everywhere. I guess I have an active local chapter of editors. Given that I have 2 comments disagreeing and none concurring I guess this is an exception.

Re: Organic Maps

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All these apps rely on the data provided by OpenStreetMap (OSM). It is a Wikipedia-like project where anybody can contribute edits. https://www.openstreetmap.org/

For business operators this can be done with a low-friction web page: https://www.onosm.org/

Nota bene: those end up as notes on the map which another mapper has to input manually. There's a lot of spam and dubious entries so I often no longer bother entering them, especially in places I don't know or where I cannot verify the information.

Re: Organic Maps

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Any recommendations for an OSS maps app that provides tracks like Strava,l and Komoot?

I'm working on something that is best described as Komoot meets Mastodon. Self hostable and federated. It's pretty early, and the UX is pretty bare bones still. If you're keen on checking it out you should be able to find it in my recent Github contributions, following the link in my profile.

ok cool, i see there is already a similar project called wanderer, so i assume the difference would be in the planning module? thx

Re: Organic Maps

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They can’t do so automatically. Osm Editors must approve. Apparantly OSM fears legislation when people copy info from google maps. They like to see evidence, like street sign photos. In my limited experience anyway.

I occasionally contribute to OSM. You just send your edit and they are directly live. I don't think there's prior moderation. On these apps you log in to OSM using an OSM account IIRC (though I mostly use EveryDoor or directly osm.org for this, occasionally StreetComplete, I don't contribute using Comaps)

Some apps don't edit OSM directly, but rather add a note on the map for others to edit. Maybe that's what they meant.

E.g., OrganicMaps often creates these kinds of notes: https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/5377887 which for certain kinds of edits is safer than trying to directly edit. StreetComplete does the same in many cases when something no longer exists. I think, shops and other places can often be added directly, though since that has little to no ties to existing data.

But yeah, I'm using mostly StreetComplete (SCEE) when outside, sometimes Every Door and Vespucci. For offline map apps like Organic Maps it's likely not easy resolving potential conflicts with live OSM data that might be weeks or months newer than the map data in the app.

Re: Organic Maps

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Organic Maps was my go to app for a navigation app where you can fix errors yourself immediately! So much better than having to work for free on the proprietary apps, and hope they accept your edits There’s a fork from one year ago, CoMaps, that is gaining different features E.g., I am adding CarPlay Dashboard support that you can test by joining the TestFlight We are in great need of both more testers and some prope…

I have used OsmAnd+ for well over 15 years by now, which also uses OSM data, just like these. And I have used JOSM on my PC to fix the OSM data myself. Does Organic maps / CoMaps offer anything OsmAnd+ doesn't for someone who uses it for car navigation (especially on back roads in the wilderness) as well as hiking? (All in the Nordic countries.) I also record tracks with it.

The question I ask every time there's a breathless new post about the supposedly revolutionary Organic Maps.

Re: Organic Maps

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AGPS actually means two different things. If by AGPS you are referring to the use of nearby WiFi and cellular networks and querying a service for that (there are ways to have that info purely offline, but I do believe such databases rely on many people leaking their positions to exist at all), I'm not convinced your approach helps much: 1) if you run stock iOS or Android with the Google services, I believe you are al…

>>if you run stock iOS or Android with the Google services, I believe you are already screwed anyway: I wouldn't trust them not to constantly leak stuff about you in the background even if you don't actively use the GPS, at least to build their traffic info and to keep their access network-based location database updated. are you sure this is true? - i can still run the phone on airplane mode(with GPS off) after i ha…

> are you sure this is true?

I'm sure I don't trust them.

> I am not sure if you looked at the repo I linked

I did skim it to get a grasp of your approach. But I'm answering statements made here too.

I think your project is worth pursuing. I'm genuinely curious what you come up with. This is actually why I spent quite some time writing my comments: I hope they helped you in some way. I do believe your project could use clearer presentation of the motivation (here or in the readme). In particular, the "GPS is not private" statement and the fact you didn't know about the existing private open source offline mapping solution also rang an alarm in me (a comparison with the "state of the art" would be nice). "Imagine GPS is jammed / is not available at this time at your place with your hardware" is actually sufficient as far as I am concerned. Relying on a privacy-preserving solution out of principles even on a spy phone comes with caveats that need to be exposed but I believe in this approach.

I'm not pushing back. If you have something like a blog that I could follow, I would subscribe to its RSS feed because I'm quite interested actually. If not, well it's already quite nice you share your curiosity work with the world.

Re: Organic Maps

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To the best of my knowledge, Organic Maps is a dying project. CoMaps was forked from Organic Maps because of shift in how things were being done and ignored. I mean, those in IT know very well how that is ending. CoMaps is highly active and receiving new features release by release. If you wanna use a 5 stars app based on OpenStreet Maps: https://www.comaps.app/download/ The fact that OP just posted Organic Maps URL…

Does this amazing new fork of a fork have colored hiking trails as this "dying" Organic Maps? I know the answer, tried both, I will let myself out...

No, because that part of OM is closed source, one of the main reasons for the fork!

It’s coming though: https://codeberg.org/comaps/comaps/pulls/4111

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