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Delta flight hit by firework while landing at Midway Airport on Fourth of July

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Post by wonnage »

protocolture wrote: post #93
anon7000 wrote: post #31

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Come on, it’s not a choice between complete anarchy and complete restriction. It is very, very fair for society to be like “hm I think X activity is easy to abuse in a way that hurts innocent bystanders,” and then limits the activity to people with licenses and training or things like that. Like no, it’s totally not cool to give a free pass to people who are putting other people’s lives and homes at risk. How would y…

>How would you feel if your house burned down because your neighbor did something stupid? Burning your neighbors house down is already illegal. You and they should already have insurance. House fires in human dwellings have been a risk since we started building houses next to other houses. The issue is that we (and I mean worldwide) have gone from legalism as a method of settling disputes and advertising penalties fo…

I'm gonna go ahead and assume you don't believe in driver licenses and speed limits either

Re: Delta flight hit by firework while landing at Midway Airport on Fourth of July

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Post by wonnage »

OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #30

Am I the only one who thinks the risks are worth the reward? People are celebrating, kids are having fun. Yes a few people blow their hands off, but are we going to remove everything, one by one, in the name of safety?

"Some of you may die, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make" was supposed to be a comically evil statement in Shrek

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Post by petre »

colechristensen wrote: post #95
greggoB wrote: post #69

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> one of them had a seizure It's insane to me how much dogs are supposedly loved by such a large chunk of the pop, and yet people proceed to go apeshit with fireworks fully knowing how badly this affects them.

The degradation of canine genetics and behavior to the point where loud noises cause seizures is pretty absurd. I love dogs but I grew up around working dogs. City people have pushed dog breeding to the point where the desirable dog is riddled with some pretty extreme codependency and anxiety that they mistake for affection and companionship. The poor animals spending their lives in a few hundred square feet and comp…

I agree, but luckily my terrier apparently doesn't give a poo about fireworks. Probably nobody jad thrown fireworks at him yet. My inlaws' country dog (also a fox terrier mix with the same temperament) growls at people, especially teens, smelling of powder and barks at fireworks and motorbikes. Good thing he's not a Malinois to nip those teens and chase the motorbikes. So it'a more of a nature vs. nurture thing.

Re: Delta flight hit by firework while landing at Midway Airport on Fourth of July

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Post by IG_Semmelweiss »

SilverElfin wrote: post #94

I see way too many trashy people setting off commercial grade illegal fireworks in the middle of crowded cities and neighborhoods. It is incredibly disruptive and damaging. Vets are traumatized. Dogs are traumatized. And sleep deprived parents have to repeatedly put babies back to sleep. It is insane that police do not enforce laws against these criminals.

we have multifelons (+10 arrests) running around and committing new crimes -often killing- in nearly all major urban centers.

What makes you think police are going to pay heed to teens with heavy pyrotecnic ordinance ?

And even if they did, would the DA prosecute ?

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Post by monksy »

This is more of an issue with operating during the week before and after 4th of July in Chicago. As I'm writing fireworks are going off.

Fireworks (display) kinds are illegal in Illinois and there are absolutely no fireworks shot off the before and after 4th of july. Nothing happens nothing to see here.

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Post by tessierashpool »

xeromal wrote: post #74
greggoB wrote: post #69

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> one of them had a seizure It's insane to me how much dogs are supposedly loved by such a large chunk of the pop, and yet people proceed to go apeshit with fireworks fully knowing how badly this affects them.

My guess because we just read of the seizure stories online but 95% of dogs are ok with it. Mine is. There's a limit to dealing with edge cases that most people have. Not saying this is how I feel or act though.

no, 95% of dogs are not okay with it.

95% of the dogs in your home are okay with it.

this study from Psychology Today finds that 83% of dogs freak out when they hear loud noises:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/canine-corner/202202...

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Post by antonvs »

colechristensen wrote: post #97
SilverElfin wrote: post #94

I see way too many trashy people setting off commercial grade illegal fireworks in the middle of crowded cities and neighborhoods. It is incredibly disruptive and damaging. Vets are traumatized. Dogs are traumatized. And sleep deprived parents have to repeatedly put babies back to sleep. It is insane that police do not enforce laws against these criminals.

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I chose to live in a city with laws. The ones who are in the wrong place are the ones who don’t want to follow those laws.

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Post by chasil »

msisk6 wrote: post #63

I recently moved to the St. Louis area for a software job at Boeing. I'm actually in a nice quiet neighborhood in St. Charles right under the flight path for planes landing at Lambert Field. The fireworks last night were insane. All around me folks were setting off commercial grade fireworks bursting hundreds of feet in the air. The house was shaking, my dogs were freaking out, one of them had a seizure. The air was…

It would be more practical if major cities had "fireworks zones" with ambulances on call and perhaps some safety advice.

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Post by jandrewrogers »

Fezzik wrote: post #76
jandrewrogers wrote: post #55

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> actual m80's that were like a quarter stick of dynamite Not even close. A military M80 [0] is ~5g of flash powder, an inconsequential amount of low-explosive albeit enough to seriously injure yourself. The consumer "M80" are even weaker. These are used to simulate real explosions by the military. The smallest standardized military demolition charge contains ~110g of TNT, in a similar small cylindrical format. There…

You could sure make decent explosives with OTC fireworks though - in the early 90s we would buy hundreds of those whistling fireworks, hammer them, cut the bottoms off, and then fill various bottles with all the powder. We made a shockwave with one of our makeshift bombs and decided we should probably stop after that.

The old school whistling fireworks were often based on picrate chemistry. Picrates famously have the ability when burned to hover between normally deflagration and true detonation; the whistling is a side effect of this. One of the largest non-nuclear explosions in history (see below) was a picrate explosion. These aren’t used anymore for safety reasons; they don’t have a great stability profile and picrates are true high-explosives.

Over the years they have found alternatives for and phased out most high-explosives used in fireworks. Many high-explosives will just deflagrate/burn but can spontaneously detonate with considerable power if the conditions are right, which makes them dangerous.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halifax_Explosion

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