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Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex

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For context: > Additionally, we’re introducing a new ultra mode that goes beyond the capabilities of a single agent by leveraging subagents to accelerate complex work. https://openai.com/index/previewing-gpt-5-6-sol/ Can someone explain how this compares with Pro? I thought Pro was already something similar.

i would believe this will be matched with something like orchestrator-focused model: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48624782

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex

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I still don't know why OpenAI doesn't put gpt-5.5-pro in Codex. It's one hell of a model and easily parallels Fable/Mythos. Sure, it'll use up your quota much faster but that's the price some users are willing to pay for absolutely high quality responses. I think gpt-5.5-pro runs 12x parallel gpt-5.5 agents behind the scene and uses OpenAI's secret sauce to synthesize their answers into one insanely good response.

I recently have been testing ChatGPT business at work and the quota seems to disappear almost instantly even using weaker models. Unless they dramatically increase their quotas it’ll be unusable.

I don’t know how anyone can realistically use the “business” plans - you blow through your quota so quickly. I use a consumer Pro account ($100 a month) and don’t hit the usage limits nearly as quickly. 5.5 Pro is so slow that it’s not a big deal to paste big prompts into it and come back and check on it an hour later.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex

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Like google search, this does not work because of how common long tail use is. What you think could be a big chunk, is more likely to be a fraction of a percent of queries. And what use is similar query caching - so you (very often! if actually cost effective, maybe half the time) get a response to a query that was different from yours. Including for when you have a lot of context input already. You’re going to get t…

But there must be a ton of generic questions that people ask. Stuff like "What's the capital of country X?" - it's probably at least 10% of queries. Memories, custom instructions etc would invalidate them, but if you can return the answers basically free it's probably worth it.

Questions like that cost a tiny fraction of a cent. "What's the capital of Sri Lanka?" cost a fifth of a cent at GPT 5.5 API price, and would cost a fraction of that if the question were routed to a more suitable, cheaper model. The output was 78 tokens.

By contrast, when coding, devs typically have hundreds of thousands of tokens in the context window, and may use many millions of input tokens per day.

Caching requires the full prefix to match exactly. If a single word differs near the beginning of the prompt, nothing after that can share the cache. So this type of caching would save a few queries that cost virtually nothing, but wouldn't help with the stuff where cost matters.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex

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post #4

For context: > Additionally, we’re introducing a new ultra mode that goes beyond the capabilities of a single agent by leveraging subagents to accelerate complex work. https://openai.com/index/previewing-gpt-5-6-sol/ Can someone explain how this compares with Pro? I thought Pro was already something similar.

I imagine this is something like Anthropic's dynamic workflows where a JS file is created to make a little AI harness on the spot

Wow, I hadn't heard of this!

  const audits = await pipeline(found.files, file =>
    agent(`Audit ${file} for missing authentication checks.`, { label: file }),
  )
I asked Claude in the browser if it could do anything like that. It wrote a little frontend app that calls the Anthropic API (with fetch()), without including a key. I expected that to fail, but it worked!

Apparently in the web chat (and also in Claude Code?[0] Though I haven't tried yet) they can call the Anthropic API and your subscription key gets auto-magicked into the requests somehow.

Those are two separate things of course (aside from the key-injection) but I guess there's no reason it couldn't run completely in the front-end... hmm...

[0] https://code.claude.com/docs/en/workflows

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex

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https://archive.ph/NEwVz "However, these inference optimizations, which rival Anthropic refers to as “compute multipliers,” are a big focus for all the labs. Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei has been publicly talking about the concept since at least mid-2023, when he said on a podcast that the company limits “the number of people who are aware of a given compute multiplier” because it could give other AI labs a leg up if t…

Dario tells the truth. If you look at everything through their safe AGI mission it all makes sense. They are not bs'ing about that. Also I think most people just read headlines or 10 second clips and make false extrapolations from there. (BTW Anthropic only exists because Sam Altman is a liar, Dario admitted this.)

> If you look at everything through their safe AGI mission it all makes sense.

Except for, you know, all the outside investors and the forthcoming IPO.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex

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I wonder if it's related that that OpenAI has found a way to cut inference costs by half, according to The Information. https://www.theinformation.com/newsletters/ai-agenda/openai-...

https://archive.ph/NEwVz "However, these inference optimizations, which rival Anthropic refers to as “compute multipliers,” are a big focus for all the labs. Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei has been publicly talking about the concept since at least mid-2023, when he said on a podcast that the company limits “the number of people who are aware of a given compute multiplier” because it could give other AI labs a leg up if t…

i really hope it's just what Deepseek V4 does. Deepseek V4 is very cheap and highly performant

OpenAI tried to pull off the same trade secret thing with RL when they announced o1 and o3, aka "Compute time scaling". Then Deepseek revealed it with Deepseek R1.

Could also be something like Deepseek DSpark. Or using diffusion like DiffusionGemma as a draft model. The timing between the release of those, and this article, makes me think its maybe one or both of those things

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex

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post #64
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I imagine this is something like Anthropic's dynamic workflows where a JS file is created to make a little AI harness on the spot

Wow, I hadn't heard of this! const audits = await pipeline(found.files, file => agent(`Audit ${file} for missing authentication checks.`, { label: file }), ) I asked Claude in the browser if it could do anything like that. It wrote a little frontend app that calls the Anthropic API (with fetch()), without including a key. I expected that to fail, but it worked! Apparently in the web chat (and also in Claude Code?[0]…

I feel like it's not crazy to run Javascript in the browser... We've come so far I almost forgot where it all started.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://archive.ph/NEwVz "However, these inference optimizations, which rival Anthropic refers to as “compute multipliers,” are a big focus for all the labs. Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei has been publicly talking about the concept since at least mid-2023, when he said on a podcast that the company limits “the number of people who are aware of a given compute multiplier” because it could give other AI labs a leg up if t…

Not sure I know where I fall regarding your point: Yes to trade secrets, but also science and AI should be for the good of all. OpenAI seems to be trading roles back with Anthropic becoming misanthropic. I hope they both start heading in the direction of how the AI field was prior to LLMs. Collaboration and benefit for all should always be the primary motivator.

> Collaboration and benefit for all should always be the primary motivator.

Of all the things to never happen, this is never going to happen the most.

That train left the station for good once hundreds of billions to trillions of dollars were involved.

On the bright side, in the long run I suspect the vast majority of the value of AI will not be captured by the model making labs and the vast investments in them are going to implode, so...

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