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Delta flight hit by firework while landing at Midway Airport on Fourth of July

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Re: Delta flight hit by firework while landing at Midway Airport on Fourth of July

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Post by lotu »

zamalek wrote: post #3

I loved playing with fireworks as a kid, and surprisingly have all appendages and senses intact, I even considered pyro as a job - so I definitely get the appeal. I just think it's time that we left it to the professionals. Unless you are engaging in science or physics, I don't see the value in letting them off yourself. ~~It's also weird that America's birthday is celebrated using a Chinese invention.~~ Edit: bad po…

Maybe leaving it to professionals would make more sense, but the majority of people aren’t in favor of it. I’m not even in favor of it and I had a couple fireworks bursting right outside my balcony last night. I was on the balcony and a ducked, though I would have been fine if I didn’t. Maybe require a brief safety training before purchasing? I’m not sure exactly what is going to reduce stupid behavior with explosives.

Re: Delta flight hit by firework while landing at Midway Airport on Fourth of July

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Post by lazyasciiart »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #46
anon7000 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Come on, it’s not a choice between complete anarchy and complete restriction. It is very, very fair for society to be like “hm I think X activity is easy to abuse in a way that hurts innocent bystanders,” and then limits the activity to people with licenses and training or things like that. Like no, it’s totally not cool to give a free pass to people who are putting other people’s lives and homes at risk. How would y…

You are arguing against a straw man. It was never claimed or even implied that society can't or shouldn't regulate activities that cause harm. The cost benefit tradeoff in this specific instance was called into question and the broader implications of a consistent application of the same bar across all of society was inquired about. > you’re essentially saying that people should be free to play around with explosive…

> Obviously how you use the thing is important.

Is there a way to use large fireworks in a residential neighborhood that isn’t “light them on fire to cause an explosion”?

Re: Delta flight hit by firework while landing at Midway Airport on Fourth of July

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Post by wonnage »

dylan604 wrote: post #75
msisk6 wrote: post #63

I recently moved to the St. Louis area for a software job at Boeing. I'm actually in a nice quiet neighborhood in St. Charles right under the flight path for planes landing at Lambert Field. The fireworks last night were insane. All around me folks were setting off commercial grade fireworks bursting hundreds of feet in the air. The house was shaking, my dogs were freaking out, one of them had a seizure. The air was…

> Next year I'll definitely be planning an out-of-town vacation for the 4th to some location with firework restrictions Fireworks are not legal to shoot in pretty much any city. They are not legal in my city. That did not stop them from being used. In fact, they are going off around me the night after too

They're legal to buy like an hour out of the city unfortunately

Also the 2A wingnuts think banning fireworks is akin to gun control https://www.tully-weiss.com/blog/fireworks-and-the-second-am...

Re: Delta flight hit by firework while landing at Midway Airport on Fourth of July

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Post by trollbridge »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #32
SoftTalker wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah not sure why that changed, when I was a kid you could only get sparklers and small stuff that stayed on the ground. Today I could get everything for a near-professional show if I wanted to spend the money.

> Today I could get everything for a near-professional show if I wanted to spend the money. Not unless you're purchasing on the black market or (illegally) manufacturing it yourself.† The professional stuff is substantially larger than anything sold on the consumer market. † Which is surprisingly trivial to do BTW but please be extremely cautious and very thoroughly master the underlying theory if you decide to go th…

Yep. I volunteered for a real fireworks show in California once. The size of the mortars was… so much bigger than the stuff I was used to seeing people get at fireworks shops.

Along with the reminder from the safety coordinator that each firework was capable of completely talking your arm or leg off. The “consumer” grade fireworks aren’t capable of that, although they’re still dangerous.

Re: Delta flight hit by firework while landing at Midway Airport on Fourth of July

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Post by trollbridge »

colechristensen wrote: post #97
SilverElfin wrote: post #94

I see way too many trashy people setting off commercial grade illegal fireworks in the middle of crowded cities and neighborhoods. It is incredibly disruptive and damaging. Vets are traumatized. Dogs are traumatized. And sleep deprived parents have to repeatedly put babies back to sleep. It is insane that police do not enforce laws against these criminals.

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And hence why lots of people don’t want to live in dense cities, and then we end up with NIMBYs who want strict housing codes so they don’t have to live near people who set off fireworks.

Living in a city shouldn’t have to mean tolerating lawlessness.

Re: Delta flight hit by firework while landing at Midway Airport on Fourth of July

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Post by trollbridge »

pandaman wrote: post #92
OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #30

Am I the only one who thinks the risks are worth the reward? People are celebrating, kids are having fun. Yes a few people blow their hands off, but are we going to remove everything, one by one, in the name of safety?

I am fine with the professional fireworks shows but people setting fireworks inside residential areas, in all hours of night, for weeks during summer is just people being massive douchebags.

Right.

On the evening of July 4, fine.

Setting off firecrackers in urban areas otherwise is simply antisocial behaviour and should be treated as such.

Re: Delta flight hit by firework while landing at Midway Airport on Fourth of July

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Post by paulbgd »

colechristensen wrote: post #97
SilverElfin wrote: post #94

I see way too many trashy people setting off commercial grade illegal fireworks in the middle of crowded cities and neighborhoods. It is incredibly disruptive and damaging. Vets are traumatized. Dogs are traumatized. And sleep deprived parents have to repeatedly put babies back to sleep. It is insane that police do not enforce laws against these criminals.

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Unfortunately it's not just dense cities, and all it takes is 1 neighbor to ruin your night.

Re: Delta flight hit by firework while landing at Midway Airport on Fourth of July

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Post by somehnguy »

OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #30

Am I the only one who thinks the risks are worth the reward? People are celebrating, kids are having fun. Yes a few people blow their hands off, but are we going to remove everything, one by one, in the name of safety?

Nope, completely with you on this. The logical conclusion of banning everything dangerous is everything in existence being banned. There are many things people do that I think are dumb or dangerous but that doesn't mean I think they should be banned from doing them.

Re: Delta flight hit by firework while landing at Midway Airport on Fourth of July

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Post by geerlingguy »

msisk6 wrote: post #63

I recently moved to the St. Louis area for a software job at Boeing. I'm actually in a nice quiet neighborhood in St. Charles right under the flight path for planes landing at Lambert Field. The fireworks last night were insane. All around me folks were setting off commercial grade fireworks bursting hundreds of feet in the air. The house was shaking, my dogs were freaking out, one of them had a seizure. The air was…

As another STL resident, fireworks are illegal everywhere in the County (not sure if St. Charles as well, but probably), and our local muni PD even sent out multiple warnings about prosecution.

But our inner ring suburb was similarly full of smoke last night and the smell of many amateur fireworks shows.

Only a few in my neighborhood, but they were quite the production. I remember firing a few bottle rockets as a kid, but these were definitely a few steps above that! Sounded like mini mortars, maybe those boxes with a bunch of shells timed to go after each other.

Re: Delta flight hit by firework while landing at Midway Airport on Fourth of July

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Post by [deleted] »

nozzlegear wrote: post #84
SoftTalker wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah not sure why that changed, when I was a kid you could only get sparklers and small stuff that stayed on the ground. Today I could get everything for a near-professional show if I wanted to spend the money.

When I was a kid growing up in Iowa in the 90s, my friends and I would hold Roman candles and bottle rockets in our hands and try to shoot them at each other. We're lucky we didn't get seriously injured, but it was all fun and games back then as long as you didn't tell your parents.

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