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Al Vigier: Canada's AI strategy shouldn't include secret Palantir bills

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Re: Al Vigier: Canada's AI strategy shouldn't include secret Palantir bills

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I don’t know the specifics of this case, but in Canada, calls like this (all wrapped up in the flag), usually come from Canadian companies hoping for some sort of sole sourced contract that they have no business getting.

So so perhaps we should be excluding American companies at this time, but in the name of competition and openness, we should allow bids from our real allies, such as the Europeans or the Asians.

Re: Al Vigier: Canada's AI strategy shouldn't include secret Palantir bills

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Step by step we need to de-Americanize, for sure. Can’t just happen overnight.

There’re no steps taken, when I brought it to different managers in both utilities and banking, they laughed and some even rolled their eyes, because everything (and I mean everything from operations to hr to all) is built on top of these products, no way to rebuild the multi billions company from scratch and train the employees on a whole new systems only to find out they are not reliable or at least not how they us…

You can throw a rock and hit another company (for example, HR/Payroll companies), these aren't exactly industry secrets that can’t be swapped out. Half of the IT depts current existence is replacing systems software just because “hip new thing”.

Re: Al Vigier: Canada's AI strategy shouldn't include secret Palantir bills

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Palantir's software stack is not really that complex, and their FDE workforce is famously... undereducated. Canada should be able to pull it off, there's much to improve on.

If that's true then why hasn't Canada managed to produce a credible competitor already? What are they missing? Will the opportunity to win domestic government contracts change that situation or are there other obstacles?

Canada do have an ai company Cohere that has potential to be big. Personally I do think they are one of the credible competitors.

Re: Al Vigier: Canada's AI strategy shouldn't include secret Palantir bills

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Canada and Europe call for banning American companies in their the name of sovereignty: upvoted and praised as necessary

America tries that for valid reasons (unfair subsidies, human or labor rights violations, BYD): get called fascist or stupid

Re: Al Vigier: Canada's AI strategy shouldn't include secret Palantir bills

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post #14

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Why not?

It's pretty obvious this comment didn't come from a Canadian. Because if it was, you'd know that Palantir is elbow-deep in the Trump administration, the same one that has repeatedly threatened to annex Canada. That is not a threat to be taken lightly, and the Canadian public agrees, which is why the trump-opposing Liberal party is currently enjoying a parliamentary majority. A more relevant question would be "Why wou…

> Palantir is elbow-deep in the Trump administration, the same one that has repeatedly threatened to annex Canada. That is not a threat to be taken lightly, and the Canadian public agrees

Are they making any preparations for war, at all, that they weren't also doing in 2021?

Re: Al Vigier: Canada's AI strategy shouldn't include secret Palantir bills

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Canada shouldn't include Palantir at all.

Why not?

They’re arguably a US based technoauthoritarian think tank masquerading as an enterprise software and data analytics firm.

https://www.engadget.com/big-tech/palantir-posted-a-manifest...

https://www.newsweek.com/us-draft-update-major-tech-company-...

France, Germany, Spain, and Britain have or are in the process of disassociating from them.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jun/16/france-ai-data...

https://www.dw.com/en/german-intelligence-offices-snub-us-ba...

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/andy-burnham-drop-spy-tec...

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/spain-tells-state-backed-fir...

Re: Al Vigier: Canada's AI strategy shouldn't include secret Palantir bills

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post #21

I don’t know the specifics of this case, but in Canada, calls like this (all wrapped up in the flag), usually come from Canadian companies hoping for some sort of sole sourced contract that they have no business getting. So so perhaps we should be excluding American companies at this time, but in the name of competition and openness, we should allow bids from our real allies, such as the Europeans or the Asians.

Excluding China, I hope.

Re: Al Vigier: Canada's AI strategy shouldn't include secret Palantir bills

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post #21

I don’t know the specifics of this case, but in Canada, calls like this (all wrapped up in the flag), usually come from Canadian companies hoping for some sort of sole sourced contract that they have no business getting. So so perhaps we should be excluding American companies at this time, but in the name of competition and openness, we should allow bids from our real allies, such as the Europeans or the Asians.

"America or not" is a red herring. Palantir is the specific problem.

The kind of people running these companies don't have true allegiance to anything but their own objectives. If necessary, they'd move all operations to Europe or East Asia in a month, and you'd have "Palantir 2" under a different name with no better ethics or privacy.

Increased emphasis has to be on running things domestically with on-premises hardware. As long as the vendor is elsewhere and not subject to oversight, the risks remain.

Re: Al Vigier: Canada's AI strategy shouldn't include secret Palantir bills

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty obvious this comment didn't come from a Canadian. Because if it was, you'd know that Palantir is elbow-deep in the Trump administration, the same one that has repeatedly threatened to annex Canada. That is not a threat to be taken lightly, and the Canadian public agrees, which is why the trump-opposing Liberal party is currently enjoying a parliamentary majority. A more relevant question would be "Why wou…

> Palantir is elbow-deep in the Trump administration, the same one that has repeatedly threatened to annex Canada. That is not a threat to be taken lightly, and the Canadian public agrees Are they making any preparations for war, at all, that they weren't also doing in 2021?

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