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Re: Organic Maps

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Post by CircuitSeuss »

z3ugma wrote: post #193
Yacoby wrote: post #3

There is also CoMaps ( https://www.comaps.app/ ) which is a fork of Organic Maps, after concern over the governance of Organic Maps https://itsfoss.com/news/organic-maps-fork-comaps/

Just downloaded CoMaps. Why does it start with a zoomed out view of the entire world, especially given that I gave it location services and it shows my current location (in North America). The very first UX experience this app gives is "I am primarily for people interested in maps and geography" Contrast this with Apple Maps - when you open it, there are 4 big tap controls for actions like "Home" "Work", a search bar…

Unfortunately I have yet to find an OSM app that offers a properly usable modern interface. Most are passable if you are a nerd who doesn’t mind being inconvenienced and can work around the quirks; my non techy friends open the app once and immediately delete it. We really need an Apple or Google maps clone.

Re: Organic Maps

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Post by therealdrag0 »

Cider9986 wrote: post #101

StreetComplete is one of my favorite apps. It's like Pokemon Go mixed with Wikipedia because it gamifies contributing to OpenStreetMap, which powers (all?) mainstream opensource maps. Looking forward to iOS support so more people can use it. https://streetcomplete.app/ https://www.openstreetmap.org/

Anything like this in iOS?

Re: Organic Maps

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Post by CircuitSeuss »

maelito wrote: post #63

Organic Maps and its fork Comaps still lack a Web client. We're this on https://cartes.app , trying to push the Web further (even on mobile devices) so that you don't even need an app for most use cases.

Cool; but this is one of those instances where I wish the wonderful and benevolent FOSS developers of the world would consolidate efforts behind existing projects to make fewer better things instead of many never-finished forks. Especially since there is not yet a single open source map ui that is polished enough to compete with enterprise maps.

Re: Organic Maps

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Post by dwa3592 »

jraph wrote: post #216
dwa3592 wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are largely correct about everyday location privacy but I was thinking more in the adversarial direction (read military/ GPS denied zones) when I started this work. There have been news about GPS being denied/spoofed over european region. When your phone can't get the GPS signal, it would try to retrieve alternative signals (A-GPS, cellular network etc) - this is where an adversary could be listening for leaks. S…

AGPS actually means two different things. If by AGPS you are referring to the use of nearby WiFi and cellular networks and querying a service for that (there are ways to have that info purely offline, but I do believe such databases rely on many people leaking their positions to exist at all), I'm not convinced your approach helps much: 1) if you run stock iOS or Android with the Google services, I believe you are al…

>>if you run stock iOS or Android with the Google services, I believe you are already screwed anyway: I wouldn't trust them not to constantly leak stuff about you in the background even if you don't actively use the GPS, at least to build their traffic info and to keep their access network-based location database updated.

are you sure this is true? - i can still run the phone on airplane mode(with GPS off) after i have the maps downloaded and can go anywhere afterwards. i don't think there is any communication with the outside world after that.

I am not sure if you looked at the repo I linked. In the intro I clearly state that I am doing this work for my own curiosity and for a hypothetical scenario (where GPS is denied). Moreover, the tech I am relying on (TERCOM) has applications in other fields as well such as navigating under water (submarines use a version of this). Or missile systems such as tomahawks which use tercom extensively.

Re: Organic Maps

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Post by CircuitSeuss »

pipo234 wrote: post #39
fuzzy2 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually think the search feature rocks, because you have high fidelity OSM maps to query. Can't search for drinkable wells in Google Maps! But then, it of course isn't Google Maps. It is likely to be more out of date and will not understand "natural" search queries as Google does. I believe it just takes some getting used to. There is overlap between the two, each service has its strengths and weaknesses, but also…

+1 That, and it works in mountainous areas like the Alps or Pyrenees, where you're lucky to have GPS and most definitely can't rely on 4G for Google Maps

Sorta. It’s still worse than proprietary solutions: in reality when on wilderness backroads (US and CA) I find myself juggling four apps at a time. CoMaps for course tracking, offline apple or google maps for navigation and satellite, Gia or All Trails for accurate topo and trails (even though I hate having to use it), and an ArcGIS app for information like additional land ownership or historic data. It’s frustrating juggling apps, but the lack of accurate (or sometime any) topo or additional map layers in CoMaps is the most galling. I’ve tried finding springs with OSM but I find i still have to verify on findaspring.org. Would be great to have am OSM based app that did it all, but that seems unrealistic given a) the horrible data accuracy and OSM’s (entirely understandable) unwillingness to pirate and consolidate large proprietary data sets from multiple competitors b) unpaid developer hours needed to create and maintain an accessible user friendly and modern UX that can compete with premier apps.

Re: Organic Maps

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Post by TheRoque »

lone-cloud wrote: post #71

I would recommend people use comaps instead which is the actual FOSS fork. OM has a long history of malicious behaviour like quietly adding ads, turning a part of its previously open sourced code proprietary and misappropriating donations. OM has lost most of its community a year ago to comaps and are now rushing vibe coded features to compensate.

Thanks for the heads up, I wasn't not aware of that. I never got a single ad in OM though

Re: Organic Maps

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Post by physicalecon »

TFNA wrote: post #223
cryo32 wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Wilfully.

It is not common for American for-profit corporations to accept donations. What you are paying is a retail price for Apple products. (Post edited after a check of the legality, but donating to Apple would still be highly unusual, and if the parent admits to doing this, he’s not going to get any less grief.)

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Re: Organic Maps

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Post by h4kunamata »

To the best of my knowledge, Organic Maps is a dying project.

CoMaps was forked from Organic Maps because of shift in how things were being done and ignored. I mean, those in IT know very well how that is ending.

CoMaps is highly active and receiving new features release by release.

If you wanna use a 5 stars app based on OpenStreet Maps: https://www.comaps.app/download/

The fact that OP just posted Organic Maps URL here with no context, and not mentioning that it is a dying project with its user base massively shifting to CoMaps, that is a red flag on its own.

Re: Organic Maps

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Post by h4kunamata »

mpawelski wrote: post #33
gedankenstuecke wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OrganicMaps rolled their own 'data license' for the actual map files: https://github.com/organicmaps/organicmaps/blob/master/DATA_... Plus the code that's necessary to generate the map files that OM relies on is no longer openly published. So while true that the actual app code is open source, you can't use it without relying on their proprietary map files.

>Plus the code that's necessary to generate the map files that OM relies on is no longer openly published. Seems like a big red flag. And another reason to migrate to CoMaps.

>Seems like a big red flag. And another reason to migrate to CoMaps.

Why do you think OM user base forked and mass migrated to CoMaps?? haha

Re: Organic Maps

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Post by epihelix »

VorpalWay wrote: post #200
eisa01 wrote: post #4

Organic Maps was my go to app for a navigation app where you can fix errors yourself immediately! So much better than having to work for free on the proprietary apps, and hope they accept your edits There’s a fork from one year ago, CoMaps, that is gaining different features E.g., I am adding CarPlay Dashboard support that you can test by joining the TestFlight We are in great need of both more testers and some prope…

I have used OsmAnd+ for well over 15 years by now, which also uses OSM data, just like these. And I have used JOSM on my PC to fix the OSM data myself. Does Organic maps / CoMaps offer anything OsmAnd+ doesn't for someone who uses it for car navigation (especially on back roads in the wilderness) as well as hiking? (All in the Nordic countries.) I also record tracks with it.

OsmAnd~ is great for hiking, when you need topographic contour info, 3D relief shading, etc.

CoMaps is a much simpler and faster interface, that I use for driving navigation. (I use a 7 year old S10e, though, so it's possible that on a modern phone you'd not notice the difference?)

YMMV, but they're both free, so it's easy to try and see for yourself :)

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