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Falling fertility on the left as key driver of US birth decline

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Re: Falling fertility on the left as key driver of US birth decline

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Post by tastyface »

fragmede wrote: post #67
thegrim33 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It makes sense, but it's probably pretty far down on the list of "what could we put money towards in order to increase birthrate". Could probably get a lot more result for the money by funding efforts to pair people together, make them want to have kids, make them more financially equipped to have kids, etc.

It's fairly obvious that to raise the birthrate, all you have to do is get rid of proper sex education and promote abstinence-only education to teenagers (because it doesn't work), and get rid of social media for them. Prohibit them from buying alcohol but give them plenty of ways to acquire it. Use teenage rebellious nature to socially engineer them getting drunk together. Teenage pregnancy is how to get them. Of co…

Actually, they do admit it: https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/republicans-mad-teen-pre...

Re: Falling fertility on the left as key driver of US birth decline

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Post by xyzelement »

homeonthemtn wrote: post #89
xyzelement wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where are you and what percentage of your neighbors go to church and similar.

Ha none. We are not "conservative" in the least bit, or even politically performative.

Where are you?

Re: Falling fertility on the left as key driver of US birth decline

#103

Post by tastyface »

xyzelement wrote: post #47
bm3719 wrote: post #6

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I think this makes a lot of sense. The parents of my generation (I am in my 40s) saw no danger in sending their kids to a university where every professor and student peer was super-left. A lot of their kids (my peers) ended up unmarried and childless as per this article. So in a way those parents got punished by evolutionary forces for not being careful enough about their kids. I can guarantee you that those of my g…

Ensure?? Oh man, you're gonna blow a gasket with your ultrawoke kids. How do you think we ended up with hippies from such a conservative generation?

Re: Falling fertility on the left as key driver of US birth decline

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Post by xyzelement »

tastyface wrote: post #103
xyzelement wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this makes a lot of sense. The parents of my generation (I am in my 40s) saw no danger in sending their kids to a university where every professor and student peer was super-left. A lot of their kids (my peers) ended up unmarried and childless as per this article. So in a way those parents got punished by evolutionary forces for not being careful enough about their kids. I can guarantee you that those of my g…

Ensure?? Oh man, you're gonna blow a gasket with your ultrawoke kids. How do you think we ended up with hippies from such a conservative generation?

Fair point. What I'm talking about specifically is being intentional with the values and orientation we raise our kids, versus leaving it to chance which I think was the default earlier.

Some families avoided being hippies just like they avoided being free facto castrated as per this article. People are much more intentional now. You see this in the rise of homeschooling and religious attendance among young families (while the childless scoff at both)

Re: Falling fertility on the left as key driver of US birth decline

#105

Post by ryandrake »

tastyface wrote: post #101
fragmede wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's fairly obvious that to raise the birthrate, all you have to do is get rid of proper sex education and promote abstinence-only education to teenagers (because it doesn't work), and get rid of social media for them. Prohibit them from buying alcohol but give them plenty of ways to acquire it. Use teenage rebellious nature to socially engineer them getting drunk together. Teenage pregnancy is how to get them. Of co…

Actually, they do admit it: https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/republicans-mad-teen-pre...

Much of the party seems to be obsessed with children's genitals and fertility. Why can't they leave all this on their little island?

Re: Falling fertility on the left as key driver of US birth decline

#106

Post by ryandrake »

thegrim33 wrote: post #28
julianlam wrote: post #19

Every time this sort of news pops up, I think "why aren't they incentivising and subsidizing fertility treatment"? You want to raise the fertility rate, yes? You could convince an entire population to have more babies the hard way (social or economic pressure). Or literally just let the people who are already trying, but can't for some physiological reason, have one. They already want children, if they're pursuing fe…

It makes sense, but it's probably pretty far down on the list of "what could we put money towards in order to increase birthrate". Could probably get a lot more result for the money by funding efforts to pair people together, make them want to have kids, make them more financially equipped to have kids, etc.

Or, why not lean in to falling birthrates and try to build a society that doesn't rely on the population needing to increase infinitely? Everyone just acts as though replacement birthrate is simply something we must meet or exceed, because of dumb "line must always go up" economics. Can't we envision a functional world where the global population is halving every 40 years rather than doubling every 40 years?

Re: Falling fertility on the left as key driver of US birth decline

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Post by xethos »

coldtea wrote: post #38
novia wrote: post #3

Captain Planet literally told children who cared about environmentalism to "keep families small" to save our planet. https://youtu.be/tZCg9HsDntY It's not difficult to take that to the next logical conclusion, no children means less resources used.

That's why people shouldn't take life advice from cartoons and celebrities

Sure, that's why Smokey the Bear is such a bad idea. Ignore the fact that pushing propaganda starts young, (the population in general, but especially) children are impressionable, and (echoing sibling) that we should probably consider the impacts of media on children.

Lots of cartoons are wholesome, and it can be a powerful tool for setting social norms. More to the point, it's going to happen anyways - so let's do what we can to make sure it's a message we agree with

Re: Falling fertility on the left as key driver of US birth decline

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Post by snapplebobapple »

zdragnar wrote: post #31
julianlam wrote: post #19

Every time this sort of news pops up, I think "why aren't they incentivising and subsidizing fertility treatment"? You want to raise the fertility rate, yes? You could convince an entire population to have more babies the hard way (social or economic pressure). Or literally just let the people who are already trying, but can't for some physiological reason, have one. They already want children, if they're pursuing fe…

Fertility treatment isn't a guarantee. My brother and his wife ended up adopting after treatment failed. The government paying for it also doesn't make it cheaper, it just moves the costs around. A fairer, more effective strategy would be subsidizing the first year or so of the child's care- diapers, food, clothes, cribs, vaccines and such. That would benefit a lot more people.

Nah just bump every tax bracket of people over 25 with no children 10% and use the money to care for the vat grown replacement children they didnt have. Cut the taxes back when they hit their 2 kid quota and cut them further for additiinal kids

Re: Falling fertility on the left as key driver of US birth decline

#109

Post by fragmede »

ryandrake wrote: post #105
tastyface wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, they do admit it: https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/republicans-mad-teen-pre...

Much of the party seems to be obsessed with children's genitals and fertility. Why can't they leave all this on their little island?

Is it so weird to think about the future of humanity? I want my children, and my children's childrens to have a good life as well.

Re: Falling fertility on the left as key driver of US birth decline

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Post by balfirevic »

ryandrake wrote: post #106
thegrim33 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It makes sense, but it's probably pretty far down on the list of "what could we put money towards in order to increase birthrate". Could probably get a lot more result for the money by funding efforts to pair people together, make them want to have kids, make them more financially equipped to have kids, etc.

Or, why not lean in to falling birthrates and try to build a society that doesn't rely on the population needing to increase infinitely? Everyone just acts as though replacement birthrate is simply something we must meet or exceed, because of dumb "line must always go up" economics. Can't we envision a functional world where the global population is halving every 40 years rather than doubling every 40 years?

Barring not-yet-invented advances in automation, shrinking population means fewer and fewer people providing goods and services compared to the number of people that need them, which means worse and worse poverty for larger and larger fraction of people.
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