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EU Council forces Chat Control via fast-track

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Re: EU Council forces Chat Control via fast-track

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Post by cwillu »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #148
logifail wrote: post #130

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> It would make moderation impossible otherwise. Why would you need to moderate private messages between users?

People sending unwanted DMs is an obvious reason. At the very least, users should be able to report DMs and then that should allow for moderation. It's very common in some spaces to get people who send unwanted (spam/harassment/etc) DMs to tons of people. Just expecting everyone to block those people makes for a horrible user experience, because it means new users might be suddenly met by a bunch of unwanted DMs from…

Are there any commonly-used platforms that _don't_ make a distinction between unsolicited messages and established conversations?

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Post by flumpcakes »

julienreszka wrote: post #201
flumpcakes wrote: post #64

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Who is they? These pithy remarks don't really extend the debate or have any nuance - they just sound conspiratorial. There are plenty of reasons to "scan" communications. There are plenty of reasons to have limits on communication "scanning". What part of the spectrum do you fall on?

no there is no reason to scan communications.

The most obvious answer: to stop CSAM being shared on large platforms. Cloudflare has a tool that does it for some of their services.

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Post by everyone »

hobo123 wrote: post #125
everyone wrote: post #107

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Ok, theres defo a lot of idiots on HN and in USA who disagree with you. Still, kinda weird to complain about bureaucracy and regulations in this context cus its the only solution to these problems of egality and corruption which humanity has been struggling with ever since the dawn of civilisation. Tho, It's kind of a solved problem too. We should all just try to be like Denmark, they at the top or near the top of pr…

Is that the same Denmark that tried to push Chat Control 2.0 in the EU?

Yes that one thing, pushing chat control, negates their amazing metrics and makes the country entirely shit. Excellent debating style bro! I must bow to your logic.

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Post by zrn900 »

m132 wrote: post #27

The central bank, council, and commission have to get thoroughly investigated. The amount of questionable decisions coming from those three in the recent (15) years is extremely unsettling. The parliament and courts are practically the only institutions preventing things from hitting the fan at this point, and struggling to do so, it seems.

> recent (15) years

Not really - all of these have been happening in the past 5-6 years, since the surprisingly London-linked von Leyen and her cadres somehow ended up at the helm.

So it's not a surprise that whatever law the UK passes has been carried over to the Eu recently - the social media ban, digital ids, chat control and everything.

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Post by zrn900 »

surgical_fire wrote: post #56
joe_mamba wrote: post #42

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>The central bank, council, and commission have to get thoroughly investigated. By WHO?! They are THE (unelected) ruling elite. Who's gonna prosecute them?

They are not unelected. The EU Council is made up of the head of government of each member state. They are all elected. The commissioners are picked by the heads of state (elected) and the EU parliament (also elected). This does not absolve them from wrongdoing, but you should understand where your complaints should be directed at.

If you water down democracy 2-3 times, it's no longer democracy.

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Post by eumember »

buzer wrote: post #10
petcat wrote: post #7

Am I crazy or is this website not allowing me to opt out of cookie tracking unless I sign up for a subscription? I know the EU cookie banners have basically ruined the internet, but this seems like a whole 'nother level of obnoxious.

It's called "pay-or-okay" (or "consent-or-pay") and there hasn't been many decisions on it yet which has led noyb to sue German DPAs: https://noyb.eu/en/years-inactivity-pay-or-ok-cases-noyb-sue... There is one case where DPA ruled in favor of the company, but it's currently being appealed: https://noyb.eu/en/pay-or-ok-der-spiegel-noyb-sues-hamburg-d... Another one ruled against company and court agreed: https://noyb…

According to GDPR it’s illegal to condition content on tracking approval. This is VERY clear if you read the law. I can’t understand why this has become very popular to do just recently.

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Post by int_19h »

vrganj wrote: post #188
int_19h wrote: post #180

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The Council represents state governments, not nations. A nation consists of all the people in it, not just those who appointed themselves to speak on its behalf.

... appoint themselves? You are aware how governments are chosen in all member states? Are you calling into question the democratic processes of national governments? Either way, your issue is with national governments and not the EU, which curbs their excesses.

Yes, that's correct. I am calling into question the democratic processes of any so-called "representative democracy".

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Post by vrganj »

int_19h wrote: post #218
vrganj wrote: post #188

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... appoint themselves? You are aware how governments are chosen in all member states? Are you calling into question the democratic processes of national governments? Either way, your issue is with national governments and not the EU, which curbs their excesses.

Yes, that's correct. I am calling into question the democratic processes of any so-called "representative democracy".

I see. Thank you for sharing your views with us. I think they speak for themselves.

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Post by zzril »

GuB-42 wrote: post #32
petcat wrote: post #7

Am I crazy or is this website not allowing me to opt out of cookie tracking unless I sign up for a subscription? I know the EU cookie banners have basically ruined the internet, but this seems like a whole 'nother level of obnoxious.

Very common on EU news websites. Workarounds include: - reader mode - "behind the overlay" extension (and others like it) - archive.is - probably many others

I have conditioned my left first finger and pinky to just hammer F5 and Esc until the page loading stops at the right moment...
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